i like this idea and you have my support.
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
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So if stop discussing this thread, will they join us?
Are you 'high skilled'?
Your logic suggests otherwise!
Are you 'high skilled'?
Your logic suggests otherwise!
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EB2 India is screwed again. My wait continues.................
you cannot sue for incompetence, or the courts would be full!
7 pages of this and I don't think there is any clear information on how many applied betweek Jan and April-1 of 2005. I saw a post somewhere where someone said Cisco alone had about 1000 applications. Now if you add dependents to it that is almost a years quota of EB2,just from Cisco!!! I think easily there are around 5000 EB2 applicants in just that time frame. My 2 cents.
When it took about 2 years spill over visas (2008 and 2009) for the EB2 India dates to move from April 2004 to Jan 2005, I am sure you could estimate how long it would take to cross a year.
When it took about 2 years spill over visas (2008 and 2009) for the EB2 India dates to move from April 2004 to Jan 2005, I am sure you could estimate how long it would take to cross a year.
Some one has done a very good analysis in this thread.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4285&page=107
Here is copy and paste of the post by gcobessesed
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Reading this post and the Ron Gotcher numbers, I see some answers for the pending India backlog number question and a silver lining for EB2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by drirshad View Post
(Quoting Ron Gotcher) The CIS backlog does not appear to be as serious as I had been told previously. Rather than 600,000 pending employment based AOS cases, it is likely less than 400,000 pending cases.
Quote:
Indian applicants make up approximately 40 to 45 per cent of the entire employment based quota backlog
Therefore, about 160,000 applications are pending for India!
As we have seen before, EB3 and EB2 are almost the same proportion for India with EB3 being slightly higher. So, about 85,000 for EB3 and 75,000 for EB2 are pending.
Quote:
Mr. Oppenheim explained that while the Visa Office initially took the view that visa numbers had to fall down into employment third preference before the could fall across to the individual country quotas, but after further review, additional legislation, and consultation with Congress, they concluded that they have to allocate the fall across within individual preference petitions first.
This means, EB2 will get all unused EB1 visas and EB3 will only get 1/3 of the total 140,000 employment based visas (and 7% per country) until EB2 becomes current.
Also, because 40-45% of the applications are from India, we can assume 40% of the yearly EB1+EB2 *may* be applied to EB2 India. i.e. approximately 35,000 visas per year for India EB2!!!
Putting this in perspective with the pending 75,000 EB2 India applications, we should see all of them approved in the next 3 years. i.e. If your EB2 India priority date is in early 2007, then your I-485 will be approved by 2011, which is fantastic!
If you assume a uniform distribution of applications between Apr 2004 and Apr 2007 (say), it is straightforward to calculate when your date might become current in the next 3 years.
So, according to this, the cut-off date for EB2 India should move towards end of 2004 in the Oct/Nov bulletin. If that happens, then the above argument will be validated.
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I am very confident that EB-2 india will become current in about 14-18 months.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4285&page=107
Here is copy and paste of the post by gcobessesed
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Reading this post and the Ron Gotcher numbers, I see some answers for the pending India backlog number question and a silver lining for EB2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by drirshad View Post
(Quoting Ron Gotcher) The CIS backlog does not appear to be as serious as I had been told previously. Rather than 600,000 pending employment based AOS cases, it is likely less than 400,000 pending cases.
Quote:
Indian applicants make up approximately 40 to 45 per cent of the entire employment based quota backlog
Therefore, about 160,000 applications are pending for India!
As we have seen before, EB3 and EB2 are almost the same proportion for India with EB3 being slightly higher. So, about 85,000 for EB3 and 75,000 for EB2 are pending.
Quote:
Mr. Oppenheim explained that while the Visa Office initially took the view that visa numbers had to fall down into employment third preference before the could fall across to the individual country quotas, but after further review, additional legislation, and consultation with Congress, they concluded that they have to allocate the fall across within individual preference petitions first.
This means, EB2 will get all unused EB1 visas and EB3 will only get 1/3 of the total 140,000 employment based visas (and 7% per country) until EB2 becomes current.
Also, because 40-45% of the applications are from India, we can assume 40% of the yearly EB1+EB2 *may* be applied to EB2 India. i.e. approximately 35,000 visas per year for India EB2!!!
Putting this in perspective with the pending 75,000 EB2 India applications, we should see all of them approved in the next 3 years. i.e. If your EB2 India priority date is in early 2007, then your I-485 will be approved by 2011, which is fantastic!
If you assume a uniform distribution of applications between Apr 2004 and Apr 2007 (say), it is straightforward to calculate when your date might become current in the next 3 years.
So, according to this, the cut-off date for EB2 India should move towards end of 2004 in the Oct/Nov bulletin. If that happens, then the above argument will be validated.
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I am very confident that EB-2 india will become current in about 14-18 months.
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Guys,
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
GCWhru,
I went back and verified if there were calculations on how we got that 20K. I couldn't find one. Please point me to the source, if there is one.
As of now, All the mathematical and statistical estimations were on total EB2 usage and spill over for this year. Not on how many visas are left over or used up. Not all the spill over is left for these two months. Some or most of that spill over is already used up.
I think 20k was some guess based on number of labor filings from April 2004 to June 2006. The EB2 date move is based on USICS/DOS estimation on how many are documentarily qualified. It is important to remember that not every one with priority date before June 2006 are documentarily qualified. Some are still waiting for I-140 approval and some of them had RFEs.
Thanks
I think we have talked and analyzed enough about how many visas available for August and September and pretty much arrived at conclusion that at the minimum 20K visas available. (Thanks to vdlrao).
Now we should talk about capability of USCIS and its processing speed? What is the normal approval rate with USCIS's regular processing. Also we heard that USCIS recruited many people, Do we suppose to see any improvement in processing. Do we think all the 20K visas will be used within 2 months?
If USCIS is going to approve only 5K visas over next 2 months, there is no point in talking how many visas left.
Thanks
GCWhru,
I went back and verified if there were calculations on how we got that 20K. I couldn't find one. Please point me to the source, if there is one.
As of now, All the mathematical and statistical estimations were on total EB2 usage and spill over for this year. Not on how many visas are left over or used up. Not all the spill over is left for these two months. Some or most of that spill over is already used up.
I think 20k was some guess based on number of labor filings from April 2004 to June 2006. The EB2 date move is based on USICS/DOS estimation on how many are documentarily qualified. It is important to remember that not every one with priority date before June 2006 are documentarily qualified. Some are still waiting for I-140 approval and some of them had RFEs.
Thanks
I expect 1/2 of the approvals to be EB2-I and the rest EB2-C.
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So, what did your lawyer say? Would sure love to know, once you hear back.
Today, he emailed by HR directly and told them that "we will file everyone's 485 in first week of July ".
He also said that there is no need to panic because AILA is already threatening USCIS with lawsuit and right now its in negotiations state. (Whatever). He said that the thread from AILA will prevent USCIS from doing the same mischief again in July 2007 to EB2, and EB3 categories. (Somehow I dont buy that, I dont think USCIS is afraid of anyone and they are acting like and independent body ... like the Supreme court working on its own schedule and own whims).
So the thing is...he acknowledges what happened with EB3-other category in June and says that he will file in July first week (good for me and my other co-workers) but he is still sticking to his guns that "It wont happen because USCIS will be scared of AILA".
What USCIS has done for EB3-other worker category is violation of federal regulation and it cannot just ignore the visa bulletins because it feels like doing so and its having a bad day. But nonetheless, the people who make these decisions dont get sued. The agency gets sued, and those lawsuits are fought by internal lawyers who are on USCIS payroll. They get some heat for violating the federal regulation but its not like they would lose their shirt over it.
Today, he emailed by HR directly and told them that "we will file everyone's 485 in first week of July ".
He also said that there is no need to panic because AILA is already threatening USCIS with lawsuit and right now its in negotiations state. (Whatever). He said that the thread from AILA will prevent USCIS from doing the same mischief again in July 2007 to EB2, and EB3 categories. (Somehow I dont buy that, I dont think USCIS is afraid of anyone and they are acting like and independent body ... like the Supreme court working on its own schedule and own whims).
So the thing is...he acknowledges what happened with EB3-other category in June and says that he will file in July first week (good for me and my other co-workers) but he is still sticking to his guns that "It wont happen because USCIS will be scared of AILA".
What USCIS has done for EB3-other worker category is violation of federal regulation and it cannot just ignore the visa bulletins because it feels like doing so and its having a bad day. But nonetheless, the people who make these decisions dont get sued. The agency gets sued, and those lawsuits are fought by internal lawyers who are on USCIS payroll. They get some heat for violating the federal regulation but its not like they would lose their shirt over it.
I am in the 6th year of H1B. 6 year term expires in March 5, 2009.
My Company filed LC in June 2008.
Assuming my LC is cleared by this year end, I-140 Filed around Jan 2009.
Can i get 7th H1B Year extension, if my company files H1B extension by Feb 2009.
In which cases 7th Year extension will be rejected.
If your LC gets cleared by the year end you can apply for I-140 by premium processing and once that gets cleared your company can file for a three year extension for you.
My Company filed LC in June 2008.
Assuming my LC is cleared by this year end, I-140 Filed around Jan 2009.
Can i get 7th H1B Year extension, if my company files H1B extension by Feb 2009.
In which cases 7th Year extension will be rejected.
If your LC gets cleared by the year end you can apply for I-140 by premium processing and once that gets cleared your company can file for a three year extension for you.
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I shouldn't say "Nice to see so many bay area folsk with bad expereience". I should probably use the word Interesting instead of "nice".Sorry about that.
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This is my reply to these Amway leeches: Whenever I am asked What I do for living/where do I work.
My Reply (with straight face): I work for a Law firm. We specialize in frauds and scams law suits. Quick as a wink they disappear after hearing this. This has worked so far.:D
This is my reply to these Amway leeches: Whenever I am asked What I do for living/where do I work.
My Reply (with straight face): I work for a Law firm. We specialize in frauds and scams law suits. Quick as a wink they disappear after hearing this. This has worked so far.:D
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I love this thread. Plainspeak is a worthless guy with worthless opinion entertaining all of us with silly thread and responding to everyone. Dude did you get some problem in life and have so much time to write? If you really want something you could have done something till now.
You do not even want to meet any lawmaker. You believe in watching CSpan and lawyers lobby for you. Go and contact CSpan and lawyers to help you. Why are you here?
You do not even want to meet any lawmaker. You believe in watching CSpan and lawyers lobby for you. Go and contact CSpan and lawyers to help you. Why are you here?
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Good HUmor for a wednesday..
BTW, i lost a good old friend right in first week of landing, we worked @ same company in India(birlasoft), were happy to reach Uncle Sam, (he came before me)- asked me to join a meeting, will arrange pickup etc. somehow i missed the ride- LUCKY ME
next day again it started out - he never said what it was about who is involved etc.
i said no i dont think i would like to be involved, i was still calculating $1 = 45 Rupees, MCDONALD # 3 combo is Rs 300 oh lala, too expensive( YEAR 2000)
So my kanjusi paid off, see sometimes being lazy helps
It is really funny bro. As far as the $1=45 equation is concerned, you are not alone. I think, many of our Desis go through that phase.
BTW, i lost a good old friend right in first week of landing, we worked @ same company in India(birlasoft), were happy to reach Uncle Sam, (he came before me)- asked me to join a meeting, will arrange pickup etc. somehow i missed the ride- LUCKY ME
next day again it started out - he never said what it was about who is involved etc.
i said no i dont think i would like to be involved, i was still calculating $1 = 45 Rupees, MCDONALD # 3 combo is Rs 300 oh lala, too expensive( YEAR 2000)
So my kanjusi paid off, see sometimes being lazy helps
It is really funny bro. As far as the $1=45 equation is concerned, you are not alone. I think, many of our Desis go through that phase.
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Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill :) For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it.
Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.
You know from one girl to another if you are trying to be scarcastic please dont because you do not know how to. Just come out and say your piece and if it is appended with abuse (Well whats new with IV members)
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.Meaningless.
Did you say the same when the flower campaing was done and let me tell you that one succesfull campaing was after of 100 failures. So for you to decide on my points as meaningless is your right to do so and yes even say it out aloud in the forum (To get some laughs at my expense. I donot mind hey it is a free country). What can i say. An effort is an effort and there is no belitting it. Conceit whaaaaa wheeer wheeenn Ok i will let it slide...............
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it. Oh
but i do because whether you check it or not i wil lreply back becasue here on a forum an answer is a sign of respect
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it.
Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.
You know from one girl to another if you are trying to be scarcastic please dont because you do not know how to. Just come out and say your piece and if it is appended with abuse (Well whats new with IV members)
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.Meaningless.
Did you say the same when the flower campaing was done and let me tell you that one succesfull campaing was after of 100 failures. So for you to decide on my points as meaningless is your right to do so and yes even say it out aloud in the forum (To get some laughs at my expense. I donot mind hey it is a free country). What can i say. An effort is an effort and there is no belitting it. Conceit whaaaaa wheeer wheeenn Ok i will let it slide...............
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it. Oh
but i do because whether you check it or not i wil lreply back becasue here on a forum an answer is a sign of respect
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Yeah and I don't mind hiring your sister and mother too. After all I am EOE. You shut up and if you feel bad leave this profession. It's that simple. But don't be in state of denial. I just shown you the mirror. This reply pl don't read with humor.
From the moment this thread got created you are the only one constantly ourbursting against your ex-employer. You forgot that you are giving fodder to antis. If you read the entire thread, you are the only one talking out of context. Clam down and think how you can contibute possitively. You outburst is not going to help anyone including you.
From the moment this thread got created you are the only one constantly ourbursting against your ex-employer. You forgot that you are giving fodder to antis. If you read the entire thread, you are the only one talking out of context. Clam down and think how you can contibute possitively. You outburst is not going to help anyone including you.
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I know this guy who was a junior to me and reporting to me in India. I resigned and moved with another company and later moved to US. After an year I joined the same company which I was working in India. Now this guy, just because having some relation with the VP made some arrangement and came to US on L1 and applied under EB1 and got his GC in 1.5 years. More over he was no good as manager and a pathetic programmer. Also he did no good to the company actually lost a few clients and when he got his ass on fire he moved to other company and started working as a pathetic programmer with his GC
AAAHHHHH... nuts nuts nuts.. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1... hooo.. :) controlling my anger..
I was also mad like you are today when the lawyers were busy filing for 140 + 485 during the entire month of July 07 and ignoring other applicants. I counted all the way from 100.:D
And now you can also imagine how mad would many EB3-I filers would be with PDs in early 2002.
AAAHHHHH... nuts nuts nuts.. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1... hooo.. :) controlling my anger..
I was also mad like you are today when the lawyers were busy filing for 140 + 485 during the entire month of July 07 and ignoring other applicants. I counted all the way from 100.:D
And now you can also imagine how mad would many EB3-I filers would be with PDs in early 2002.
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hi:
But is it possible to continue to work on TN1 Visa and change jobs and not apply for the GC? Can one continue to do that?
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But is it possible to continue to work on TN1 Visa and change jobs and not apply for the GC? Can one continue to do that?
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I totally agree...its Modern day slavery!
You cannot change employers, you cannot travel if you wish (after you apply for H1 ext, you can't leave US till it is approved, even If you have AP to re-enter!), you can't expect promotions, your spouse can't work on H4, No drivers license in some state, ..... BUT WE PAY ALL TAXES, NO EXCEPTIONS! Is it not Modern day slavery ??
Using bold letters and big font ain't make it so. I agree that the situation is bad but there is not point in taking unjustifiable pity on yourself. Are you being physically stopped from moving to a different state/country/city? If not, then it is not slavery.
This the era of high-information availability, and there is enough information available on some of the employers and so called "consultants" on how they treat their employees.
You cannot change employers, you cannot travel if you wish (after you apply for H1 ext, you can't leave US till it is approved, even If you have AP to re-enter!), you can't expect promotions, your spouse can't work on H4, No drivers license in some state, ..... BUT WE PAY ALL TAXES, NO EXCEPTIONS! Is it not Modern day slavery ??
Using bold letters and big font ain't make it so. I agree that the situation is bad but there is not point in taking unjustifiable pity on yourself. Are you being physically stopped from moving to a different state/country/city? If not, then it is not slavery.
This the era of high-information availability, and there is enough information available on some of the employers and so called "consultants" on how they treat their employees.
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This must give a strong message to the agencies who played this dirty game on immigrants
This must give a strong message to the agencies who played this dirty game on immigrants
