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  • I agree with you 100%, this change was made by Congress in attempt to reduce the backlog.

    Think about it in terms of Congress, it was under a lot of pressure from high skilled workers and from companies like Google and Bill gates who argued for more number of visas. No offense to any EB3 category, but we all know, EB2 are the ones which have earned a higher skilled education from this country.

    (Now please don't start any debates on EB2 or EB3, I didn't make any distinctions and it has no relevance.)

    For Congress to somehow act, they made the change in movement of visa numbers, and geared more towards EB1/EB2, to reduce the backlog among EB2 category. This will eventually lead to roll over of visa numbers from EB2 to EB3.

    Advantage? High skilled workers who have attained a Masters degree from
    U.S., now will see a reduce in backlog.

    This recent change in the flow of visa numbers, acknowledges all these problems. We all know, who ever takes over the next presidential elections, will not issue something right away, it will take a few months.

    This change buys time and greatly reduces the backlog among EB2, eventually for Eb3 as well. The new process makes much more sense and I don't think this change will revert to its original movement (back to vertical flow)
    A correction -
    there are many who are not Masters from US but can apply under EB2...i.e. BS + 5 years Experience. (Even those who can prove their International MS degree is Equivalent to US degrees can qualify for MS + 3 years and hence EB2)

    Important point to note is that - It is the Job requirements that makes ur GC application EB2 or EB3 and not your qualification..

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  • You don't want to give any credit to 'Modi' than by your logic, Chandrababu Naidu shouldn't be give credit of 'Andhra' turnaround, Vajpayee shouldn't be given credit for Infrastructure turnaround...In India Politics & Politicians are so important, until they are pro-work, nothing works. UPA govt's attitude was sit & watch for Orders from 10 Janpath, so all of us know how they performed..

    One might ignore land-scams of Naidu and support him. One might ignore fodder scams of lalu and support him. One might ignore the bribery cases on tape of vajpayee's office and support him. Because they have positive changes to their credit. But how does one convince oneself to support the so called human standing on dead bodies waving a flag of development.

    Dude we are considered the cream of the crop who think clearly. How can we hand over the reigns of future of our sons and the well being of our daughters in India to a person who supported the rape and murder to young girls and destroyed livelihoods of thousands.

    Imagine our christian friends trying to convince the jewish friends that they support Hitler because he is development pushing leader who is also church going, non smoking and that they do not support the side which actually supports rape, incarceration and murder of thousands who scrap out their living in the country. There is nothing like supporting half a person. You either support all his deeds or you dont. We or our kids will bear what we sow today.

    That is it for me in this thread. Best of luck to us Indians. Jai hind !!!

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  • Guys, I've heard (and only heard - don't red me now) that Cognizant has its H-1Bs being rejected and I've heard as far as this that some of the people in Cognizant who got green card through EB-1 category have been deported due to investigation after complaints regarding misuse of EB-1 category by these companies.

    has anyone else heard the same?

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  • Gandhi Family has changed their strategy since many years and they have a great success in doing so, turning their family from 'king' to 'King maker'. We wouldn't see any claim by Rahul to be PM in near future. Its a smart strategy. In early '90s, majority of people across the country hated them more than they hated the party, allowing BJP/local regional parties to emerge and fill vacuum created by Congress. Now see how the strategy is working for them, they would be in power again. Personally I like both Sonia and Rahul, can't doubt their intension of making India better

    I don't know if there will be an another wave for BJP like the year of 2000 ( half of the seat they got from UP) . Adding new geographical areas for them is getting tougher now as local regional parties are much stronger than they used to be. Congress has a high chances of emerging as single largest party and getting support from SP/Lalu/NCP/ AIDMK / Lefties / RDP to reach magic no of 272.

    You wouldn't belive if you hear how negotiations take palce for key portfolios of Govt., after election.

    I don't know whom to blame for it but would like to ask some questions -

    Do you know how much money Indians Politician have in Swiss bank ?
    Do you wonder why didn't have any choice for cars before late 90s ?
    Do you know why your cousin/father/ neighbor had to pay a 'premium' for getting a Bajaj Scooter in 70s and 80s ? BTW the premium used to be much more higher than scooter price.
    Do you know why we still talk about Polio vaccination in India and half of India's population doesn't have clean drinking water or 24 X7 electricity ? Have you seen a family pulling a cart of half ton at noon on 42 c summer day and getting paid 50/100 rupees ?

    Business Mafias ran our country. Every Central Govt. strategy was controlled/decided by them, still does.

    As recently Narendra Modi said in Nasik that real credit for getting Oscars for Slum Dog Millionaire should go to Congress.

    Can't blame everything to Congress but they have played big role in it.

    At last, Do you wonder why we have IV.org ?

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  • I support having ongoing discussions with USCIS and having an amicable relationship with them. We should work hard to make the letter campaign successful. We have 30000 members but less than 2000 letters so far. While some volunteers are working tirelessly to make the letter campaign successful some do not want to take part in it at all because the Template's we have out there are asking for their Name, Address and Telephone Number. it is not a joke to mail out a letter to the president on which the signature of the person is not comprehendable and there is no Full Name, Adress and Telephone number. I spent hours last weekend answering people's questions about letter campaign but all I get in return is recommendations on what else I can do. There were no letters after all that. I totally support Walking_Dude on this.

    Raising 30K in 7 days was possible. it was made possible by 300 members. I still remember having a conversation with a gentleman at a mela (US Citizen and a white american) who said funds should not be a problem for you guys. You have 25,000 members and you all make good money. On any day you can all contribute 10$ and raise 250k. I wish. That will be my dream come true. I am one of those volunteers who worked very tirelessly to make 30k happen in 7 days. it is fun to be an active IV volunteer. I know a few people in our Local Chapter who spend their money for local chapter activities in addition to their monthly contributions. We have less than 10 members in our chapter who do that. I can totally understand when they tell me sometimes that have been spending a lot of their own money and taking the lead this for an year and half and are getting burned and want to take a step back now since we do not have new people stepping forward to help. Atleast they promised to take part in action items for sure.

    I apologize for my venting today

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  • Has some one cross validated USCIS numbers against IV Tracker data? Till now we always assumed that tracker data was 1% of entire population. This is a good time for some data guru to tell us actually how many people (% wise) are on IV. A break-up by month (PD) might be preferable because I feel older PD people are more active than newer ones.

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  • how abt IV core leading us here or how abt murthy and other IV supporters who are immigration lawyers too.

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  • Per country limit applies to every country in exactly the same way. It doesn't discriminate between Chad or China. So, how is it discrimination? And think about it- in Olympics soccer/basketball every country can send only one team. Should China and India be allowed to send more teams since they have a larger population? We should try to increase the number of GCs.

    No matter which side you are on, the quota system sucks. Period.

    1) Once you start receiving benefits out of being born in a particular country/ race/ sex/ religion, a notion of "entitlement" quickly builds up within you. This adversely affects your ability to perform, for you just don't have to work hard enough!
    2) If you are punished for being born in a particular country/ race/ sex/ religion, you have no incentive to perform, as you won't get what you deserve no matter how hard you work!

    How about this... during every Olympics, most number of Gold Medals are won by Americans. Now imagine a rule that prevents more than 7% of all Gold Medals going to people born in any one country. How does that sound?

    I will myself hate it if athletes from India (who haven't won anything in the Olympics till date) started winning gold medals simply because other countries cannot receive more than 7%!

    Of course, removing country caps will face opposition, but it should still happen, just because it is the right thing!

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  • Been contemplating Australian or Canadian migration to get around the retrogresion issue. Are there any former H-1Bs out there who got Canadian citizenship and then applied for US green cards? Please describe your experiences.

    How about any Australan nationals who obtained Australian nationality and then
    obtained US green cards?

    Please describe your experiences- both good and bad.

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  • To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    Dilip Dude,
    As said before by unseenguy, your case is just plain LUCK, if there was no bill during 1999-2000 to recapture and increase GC quota, you would have been still struck in BEC counting days for GC,forget Citizenship. Just because you are over qualified(or under!) than others does not make you special or get you GC faster, you just had some good KARMA, thats it...

    Anyways, your attitude of blaming others(h1/l1 etc.) for decrease in your quality of life is just plain STUPID and shows your maturity.

    I wish you are not in a managerial position, I have seen many Desi managers like you who give hard time to fellow Desi folks working under them thinking they rule the world and they are the only qualified one who knows all.

    My advice is wish good for others not bad, this will get you more good karma and maybe get your citizenship faster.. :-)

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  • Wrote to Jennifer Ludden at NPR who regularly reports on immigration
    email addresses are first name initial followed by lastname at npr dot org, if you would like to write

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    used the web link on the senator's website. No subject line was available. Is there an email address I can use? I am going to take an hour today and send emails to reporters.

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  • I have seen all sorts of posting on both this forum as well as others supporting the process of labour substitution.
    This issue needs careful analysis. Just as a knife can be used for a useful purpose of slicing bread, but also for the criminal purpose of committing homicide, so can the LC be used by the employer to truly get a desperately needed skilled employee or to sell it to the highest bidder.
    In the former case it is appropriate whoever the beneficiary and however recently he has arrived. In the latter scenario it is neither fair nor appropriate.
    Much of the problem as I see it here is on the basis of the basic abuse in the system. In my view this provision in the immigration law leads to more abuse on the part of employers, lawyers and opportunist immigrants. All this to the detriment of fair minded law abiding immigrants.
    I have wrestled with this issue a lot. In my situation, I am in a situation of relative comfort. I have an approved 140 in a very stable job with pending 485s for me and my wife albeit with very recent PDs which I am not about to see become current for years in the current scenario.
    My wife is in an area of quite good demand where there are all sorts of substitute labours floating about. Technically, I could have her take the gamble with the security and back up my situation provides.
    Yet I have not done so (to date). Yet I am not foolish enough to make any long term bets either. I am an idealist but also a realist. I have much to gain or potentially lose by the scrapping of this provision. Hence I consider myself neutral and able to take a neutral view on this issue.
    My feeling is this thing is wrong as it currently stands. Yet I will not promise not to use it if the powers that be are stupid enough to let is stand as it is currently stated.

    That is my best asssessment of this situation.

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  • For all we know we may not be casting our vote but it is very important to know what is going on around us and this discussion is like a reality check though I agree immigration forum may not be the right place for this discussion.

    Coming back to MMS,Advani-going by the qualities you attributed to these guys MMS is like that exquisite diamond that will always sit inside the locked case who can only tantalize people but cannot make anyone happy(since Sonia and Co will never let his policies/Intelligence reach common man.)
    LK may not be that exquisite a diamond but he is not caged .I don't think he's a dunghill either.
    The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).

    My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.


    Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.


    He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..

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  • One things for sure, we cant clear all the problems EB Community is facing in one shot. Agreed that EB Visa recapture will help temporarily but that helps a lot , Still the movement should go on either on country cap or something that would eliminate backlog. But one thing for sure if we keep debating that we need all in one shot its not going to happen. One can keep complaining that i am ahead of many of others but think analytically, we dont enjoy a great support either in house or senate, getting a simple legislation or getting our cause on CIR is itself a big thing here.

    Outsourcing is going to happen or not its a different story. US has shifted 99% of it manufacturing jobs, if all admin , it jobs are going to go away where does the money come from to run this country ? Eitherways it is going to happen more in recession, but how is that going to effect our outlook in this discussion ?

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  • Read my previous posts where I said tamils that doesn't live in the war areas lead life just as other nationalities. Its my fault that I didn't mention it again.

    Ofcourse people in yalpanam and triconmole are leading a hard life due to the war. Yes, I was in trincomalee just 3 years ago when they re-opened A9. I'm not talking about tamils in the areas where the war is going on. Who chased the sinhala and muslims from those areas? Its was the LTTE that pretty much ruled those areas till now.

    Are you saying tamils are discriminated in Colombo?

    What I'm saying is if tamils are discriminated then they would be all over the country.

    Read this


    My point is the same as following

    "FIDH recalls that LTTE has been involved in various attacks on civilians, including recent bomb attacks. FIDH condemns such attacks; however, an indiscriminate and arbitrary reply targeting the whole Tamil community can only further fuel violence and polarization between the different ethnic communities in Sri Lanka."

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  • One important point from the document: If employer can not directly control/supervise his employee's work and then H1B new petition/extension may not be approved.

    Are these provisions new? I am not aware of the previous laws reg H1bs that is why I am asking. Previously employer did not need to have direct supervision?

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  • Why so much ruckus for SRK ?. After all he is a actor in India. So many actors are having connections with Dawood Ibrahim. So , nothing wrong for extra questioning.

    But Indian immigration will not do such things to foreign delegates. They treat them like gods.Everything will be bypassed.

    This is the difference between us and US

    Agreed. Makes sense.

    So when there is less demand, they screwed us by not processing on-time and when there is more demand, they are processing ROW fast to give them more visas, so there won't be any spill-over. What a convenient system????

    Unless we understand that CIS/State is the reason for Visa wastage and not any specific country/group/EB1,EB2 etc.. We will not be able to fight united and till then we will not get this mess cleared.

    Mr. Oppenheim explained that a trickling effect of unused visa numbers between EB categories has helped keep EB1 and EB2 categories current in prior years. However, due to the processing of a high number of applications, this trickling effect has already occurred, but is not expected to occur again in FY2009. Mr. Oppenheim attributed this to the hard work of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), as well as that of the DOS, as they have succeeded in processing enough cases to likely use all available visa numbers from all categories for FY2009. He stated that the DOS and the USCIS are supposed to process enough cases to use the annual allotment of visa numbers and not leave any available visas unused and wasted in any fiscal year.

    I am finally moving to canada in 2-3 months. Deadline for landing is March 3rd 2007.

    I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.

    Try to get a job offer, before you move into Canada.

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