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  • However, these students are not completely exempted from the H1B quota for each year. Whatever, if PERM filing in year 2008 has witnessed 46% drop since 2007 ... it tells us a lot.

    Thats true - students were not exempt until a couple of years ago - but the point I am trying to make is that they add to the EB - India count thereby retrogressing it further.
    Looking at only BIG IT sponsored H1b's may result in a much reduced EB number

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    You may argue to some extent that the complexity of your job will provide your protection but the fact is management is always scared off complex functions that require expensive resources (i.e human beings) .. management will always want to break down your job to lowest common denominator so that it can be shipped or done at lower cost. For that they will be willing to go all the way - including changing technology , buying into marketing BS or spending millions of dollars.

    Also if the american market dies is that going to be a very big deal ? not anymore .. the domestic market of both India and China is getting bigger everyday .. the fire has been lit and the horse has been left out of the stable .. its at a point of no return.

    So brace for the change because the times are a changing...

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  • It seems after reading all this that canada maynot be for all aspirants. You need to know somebody already there and should have strong family ties before you land. Or better get a job offer from a company first or acceptance offer from an university if you want to enter as a student.

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    Letz change the Govt and see what will they do in future. (We did n't see anything big with Congress for the past 4 decades -

    Show Mr.Advani's track record before changing the govt.

    Otherwise why its only Advani. We can try with Mayavathi, Mulayam, Jayalalitha and Karunanithi also...

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  • I assume that all the EB2 India who have decided to go for CP route will get their immigrant visas stamped in India. I noticed that New Delhi and Mumbai consulates posts a list of candidates due for immigrant visa interview at their website by the middle of the month. May be this list can give us an idea as to how many EB2 India will get their GC through consular posts:

    This is the link for New Delhi consulate: http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/visa_interview_dates.html

    This is the link for Mumbai Consulate : http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/interview_appt_schedule.html

    At the links mentioned above, you will find PDF documents telling us how many Employment based (EB2) people are scheduled for an interview during August 2008.

    If we can search and locate similar links for Chennai, and Kolkata consulate, probably by mid August we would be in a position to find out how many EB2 India are going to get their GC's in August 2008 through CP route. This will also tell us how many visas USCIS has got to process/waste.

    Gurus ... am I making any mistake here?

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  • A question about the FB spillover: according to your data, there are about 30000 FB visa spillover from last year. But does USCIS have to use up all of them? If the answer is yes, then the September VB will very likely be current. If the USCIS only need to use up the 147000 EB and use whatever portion of the FB spillover, then September VB may not move.

    They can waste numbers and come up with excuses. But because of criticism from Ombudsman, Congress, etc it looks like they are trying to shape up. They can adjudicate 30 k petitions are more in 2 months if they are committed to. We could get an idea, if there is a deluge of approvals in the first half of August.

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  • Why should we give big bucks to big names? Instead we can pay 50% to 75% of that to a bunch of fresh law school grads from Harvard or some other top law school and see what they can do?
    This way we would help young talent and also give them a platform to get their name in the front and at the same time we are not under cutting on their fees. Saving money but cutting unnecessary cost is the name of the game.

    Any thoughs or counter arguments?

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  • I love that idea but too late now :)

    ahh, let us take this one step further, and start a "send candy hearts to USCIS" campaign :)

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  • Note that it would certainly not benefit the other 60%+ from countries other than India that are also stuck in various steps (EB3, name check). So, unless you want IV to stand for IndiaVoice, you should concentrate your admirable effort on increasing the overall quota (with increased per-country quota), excluding dependents, etc.

    in a nutshell:

    an end to retrogression for all
    increased GC quota
    removal of per country quota
    efficient processing of applications

    the per country quota issue is only one among the measures
    we cannot focus exclusively on that because our goal is an end to retrogression for ALL. it does remain though, one of our goals in the package because we believe it is fundamentally unfair and should not be apart of a skilled immigration program.

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  • Since the lawsuit is about the getting the lost visa numbers it will be a good case.

    4. INA Section 203(e) provides that family-sponsored and employment-based preference visas be issued to eligible immigrants in the order in which a petition in behalf of each has been filed

    The law does not mention anywhere that u cannot recapture numbers.

    the law does say that the GC numbers expire if unused.
    once expired USCIS has no power to use them.
    you need to study this deeper if you want to consider a challenge.

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  • Isn't there any Indian lawyer who is a member of IV and can give some direction to this discussion?

    Yes, some law professional should really enlighten us for this deep waters.

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  • Unseenguy,

    I am fairly confident, touch wood, that I would not be dependent on India for a handout. I have paid my debts to the Indian society by investing in India. I did not graduate out of an IIT but I did graduate out of the 2nd best engineering college (atleast then) in Rajasthan, India. I am sure you guys would have guessed it by now. Just for the record, I had to pay full expensive tuition and my education was not subsidized. By my responsible style of life, I believe that I have become a self made man and so would hopefully be of material help but not a public burden to India. be rest assured !!!

    2nd best engineering college in Rajasthan? There were 25 states in India , now including IITs, & NITs and BITS, that would make it, atleast 30 colleges in India which are better than yours. And here we are just talking of engineering colleges. Not even mentioned about medical or others. So yours would be like probably 50th best college in India. That is certainly not the best and brightest. I am from top 10 engineering colleges of India at the time.

    My brother is a gold medalist in CS from India's top NIT and has done MS here from top 10 universities. My wife has also done MS from here (top 20 school) with a good GPA.

    So give up ur GC now for recapture and go back! The better and brighter are waiting for it behind you.

    What do you mean by not being a public burden? You will still eat up a job , that can be retained for India's best and brightest, in case you do return due to economy or healthcare factors here.

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  • According to first post in following thread ,

    attorney Ron Gotcher says ( he got info ),

    Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:

    * In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
    * EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year"

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  • Since EB2-I is slowly catching up with EB2-C, future spill overs will be split between the two categories and not all will go to EB2-I.
    you are correct India will get only 50% of sipill over numbers and we need to take into account how many China applications are pending (perhaps there are more China apps than India in EB2)

    For 2007 we had an availability of 226,000 Family Based Visas. But the issued visas in 2007 in Family Based are 194,900 visas. That means there are 226,000 MINUS 194,900 = 31100. These 31,100
    unused Family Based Visas have been made available for 2008 Employment Based Visas of 140,000. And USCIS has 28,795 unused VISAS of American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act of 2000 (AC21).

    Sorry, silly question. Does this mean that these 32k visas are available to the EB2 I/C folks in Aug/Sep?

    so what are the ones that fall below on points supposed to do ? pack and leave after 10 plus years of being here ?

    The point system would only apply to new applicants. All those already in line will proceed according to existing system. Worked well in Canada's system.

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