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  • "Fairness or not is not the issue. Question is can it be challenged in a court? "

    --I guess fairness is the issue and that is what you are asking for by challenging the court.

    "As an unrelated side note, the current quota system is something that has evolved from past policies some of which was used to restrict citizens of certain countries."

    --To some extent,there is truth to what you said. And it is there prerogative. There could be many geopolitical,societal, economic and national security reasons behind who they restrict and who they allow.

    The OP was whether the country quota is constitutional. My interest was to find out if the current laws and regulations are violated by the country quota.
    As lazycis pointed out, SC seems to uphold the current situation.

    I was not looking into arguing in a court whether a particular regulation is fair or not. The law is what it is (what I or you consider fair or unfair is immaterial), question was : Is the law being implemented or not? Seems like it is.

    To change the law, we as IV are lobbying and meeting lawmakers already.

    Unless a constitutional lawyer says otherwise, I see no reason to pursue the country quota in a court, considering lazycis post.

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  • I like this news even if it is rumor. I have 3 live examples of the CTS guys that are not even eligible for H1 came on L1 (Project Manager) and applied in EB1 and all got Green Cards in 9 months. Their pay is even peanuts. Why USCIS does not check the pay stubs for these L1s?

    Write to the Ombudsman. His office works on such issues, and makes recommendations on USCIS working improvements.

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  • mind u with bigots like tancredo winning their district every election, US is not far beind when it comes to RACISM

    Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:

    Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
    Outlook: Jan 25, 1999

    It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...


    "I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.

    Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.

    Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.

    Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".

    Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
    Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.

    "You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.

    That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.

    But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".

    Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.

    "What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
    While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.

    The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.

    Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.

    'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.

    Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.

    "All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
    But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.

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  • Read this before you pass comments. Even Al Gore (VP) and Ted Kennedy have been detained on US Airports. Who the hell is SRK? and just because he is an actor and looks all goody goody, you have all the sympathy. Would you have it for Mulayam/Lalu, if they had gone through the same ordeal?? No, then you would have laughed and said they ought to be. Would you be protesting the same way if Musharraf was being frisked? you wouldn't.

    So in the end you are one biased person. You cannot take a justful decision, your decision is based on who is it for. :rolleyes:

    Would Khan have fared better as Kennedy? - US - World - NEWS - The Times of India (

    This does not make any sense. If X was detained Y should also put up is not a rationale argument. Also Home land security chief apologized to Kennedy and Gore. He did so profusely.

    So ..... who is going to apologize to Shahrukh , Kalam and George Fernandez?

    If a similar tit for tat system is set up in India, how many americans would put up with that system?

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    Unfortunately its a flop show.. I pity you dude..

    If you are not Sinhalese then you must be SAROJA DEVI :D
    I could guess this from one of your post :cool:

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  • I spent almost an hr going through these massive 12 pages and concluded to support British's saying "Indians are dogs" and I want to add the following,


    We are called dogs, because we discuss things, then what are we called if we don't and accept things in India as they are.

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  • The solution for this is to talk to USCIS thro IV or AILA or both. If that will not work then lawsuit will be the option if USCIS violated any law. If that also fails then legistrative option to realx the rules. If first option does not work then others are long shot. If nothing works then do not join bodyshoppers.

    Everyone knows what the impact would one coming up with the solutions or ready to fight.

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  • I didn't generalize. I said preponderence meaning "a lot of" cases with L1/B1/H1 and I am also not denying the fact the India is doing a great job in producing IT skills in great numbers. I am saying how they end up in America in greater numbers than any other country. China, Pakistan, Israel also produces lots of IT gradutes but they don't have the bodyshop connection to land here with an NIIT certificate.

    Delusional? Quite a few European countries spring to mind before this one.

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  • Thanks for your diggs. If you go and check the Upcoming stories tab - it has made it to the top in "Hot in All Topics" list...

    keep digging....

    Hope some one will pick up that news. we can go to bed now, we have done something fruitful for today.

    keep digging.

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  • Amway guys motto is to harass people even after you say NO and its been the same experienced by some of my friends and see similar ones in this thread as well. So again in plain english No means NO.. (If you did not understand what i said in plain english..)

    "If you are not interested why would they bother you?"
    Ask your amway friends/buddies and you are more than welcome to join them in the backseat of a police car with handcuffs.. :D..

    Nobody harassing anyone. You are doing it to yourself. If you are not interested why would they bother you?
    Arrested?? make me laugh...please go ahead.

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  • Any of you want to join with me with this drive? Let's form a group and sue the USCIS for misallocation of visa. If any one is interested, please PM me. posted country wise EB visa allocation for the year of 2005. For example, Nepal used only 70 EB3 visas. Whereas country limit is 7%. In that case how EB3 Nepal is retrogressed?

    Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
    In that case, let's hire an attorney.

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  • Hi,
    I am on H1B (7th year and got extended for 3 yrs) and applied 485, received EAD from company A (140 approved).

    I am asked to join Client by Company A due to some benefits both of us would receive. But Client wont support H1 so I need to use EAD.

    Since EB3 is in very bad situation, Can I file new Perm, 140 and port my PD for EB2 using Company C for future position? I have position, salary and exp required for EB2. When should I join Company C if I choose this route?

    Thanks in advance!

    Whats your EB3 PD. You can join company C anytime assuming that it has been more than six months since you filed your I-485. Company C can start the EB2 process should you choose to. However bear in mind that this process will also take some time.

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  • Good One !!!

    While we are all sharing about our Amway solicitation experiences, let me share what I've seen in the last few years.

    Background: In the last 6 years, I've been approached over 2 dozen times in the Bay Area. Things got so bad that the same guys have approached me more than 3 times in some cases before realizing that they've already talked to me before.

    Incident #1:
    A guy approached me while I was at the mall saying "hi" and striking up a conversation. During our short chat, this 20-something desi guy proceeds to tell me that he is the CIO of Fox News. At which time I pull out my iPhone and look him up using my LinkedIn app under the guise of adding him to my network. Turns out he is an engineer at a local company which he covers up by being embarassed and saying "I haven't updated my profile." I joke about how he moved up in his career so quickly - he then makes an excuse and walks away. I never hear from him again. Another reason to love technology!

    Incident #2:
    I get approached while shopping at the local GAP store. Being a veteran of this form of solicitation, I respond by saying that I work for the San Jose Mercury News and that we are doing a story on Multi-Level Marketing schemes. I ask him if he knows anyone who would be willing to chat on the record. This guys says "Nope, don't know anyone" and walks away. I never see him again...

    Incident #3:
    I am at the Nike store and get approached by this guy asking me if I work at Google (I do not). I tell him "Nope" and walk away before he can ask me another question. I have been approached by this same guy 2 more times at other stores (within 6 months) asking me similar questions. The 3rd time, I tell him - "We've spoken before - No, I don't work at Google, No, I'm not from Delhi and No, I'm not interested in what you are selling." He is stunned and walks away with his tail between his legs :)

    Incident #4:
    The local Fry's is a popular hang out for Amway-types. I learned the hard way because I made my first mistakes here. Both guys that struck up a good conversation with me turned out to be Amway types. After the 2nd phone call, I tell them that if they call me again, I will report them to the authorities and Fry's for illegal solicitation and harassment.
    This stops both people in their tracks. I never see them at Fry's again!

    Bottom-line: Hold your ground, use technology and don't be afraid to kick them around a little bit. Saying "No" is golden!

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  • Can someone clarify the following for me?

    1. How hard/easy is it to get TN visa? Is it restricted only to specialized professions like H1 or can ppl with general office (HR/marketing) etc also get TN visa?
    2. Can spouse work or is it same state as H4?
    3. How hard/easy is it to switch jobs?
    4. What does it take to apply for green card while on TN (without switching to H status)
    5. Anyone tried L1 route from Canada to US?

    Basically, my question is it worth the trouble trying to get a GC if you are a canadian citizen?

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    Since this can potentially be a great win for us, why don't we take the advice of a top constitutional attorney. I am sure the attorney will be able to tell us if we have a case. As for the cost, I think an hours time of any attorney will be peanuts compared to what we can afford.

    What say LogicLife?


    It will be a waste of money. The US does not have to allow any immigration if it chooses so. Do you realize that getting a GC is not a right, but a privelege? It's a matter of grace and no court has jurisdiction to review if government says "no".

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  • 1. This is not a political forum ... this discussion has to stop, so does the killing in SL.

    2. There is so much hatred between SL Tamils and Singhalese ... pls see the videos on you tube, rediff etc and the comments ... it like a cyber warfare and the posts contain so much hatred between both sides. No wonder there is so much killing and disregard for human life in SL now.

    3. People get confused between LTTE and Srilankan Tamils they think they are the same ... Srilankan tamils are facing humanitarian crisis and some people consider raising voice against this crisis is supporting LTTE.

    4. SL may be a different country but the Tamils living in India have interest in them and their welfare. This has to be recognized by the Indian government if it values the interest of its people. (Its a dont care situation ... and the apathy is growing in Tamilnadu that they are alienated)

    5. There is no expectation from any other Indian other than a Tamil Indian to have interest in this issue unless it was on a human grounds.

    6. This cause belongs to Tamils and only Tamils can solve this issue, Indian government is a union of many states and languages and there is oneness of being an Indian if the issue is of interest to the rest of the union. Now it belongs to a <10% Minority (Tamils) so it stays as a Tamil issue. Rest of the Indians don't care if it is happening in SL or Uganda.

    We have a oneness in this forum because we all are waiting for GC and nothing else holds us together. Lets stop this discussion now .... it doesnt take us anywhere.

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  • At the beginning of each month, the Visa Office receives a report from each immigrant visa processing post listing totals of documentarily qualified immigrant visa applicants in categories subject to numerical limitation.
    Cases are grouped by foreign state chargeability/preference/priority date. No names are reported. During the first week of each month, this documentarily qualified demand is tabulated.

    VO subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations which are specified by the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants reported to VO, and the expected INS demand for numbers, are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment. This allows for the determination of the monthly cut-off dates, and the allotment of numbers for reported applicants who have priority dates within the newly established cut-off dates. If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered "current."

    This is talking about numbers available for next regular allotment. This number could be the number remaining for current year (which is what I think it is).

    It is not saying that there is a monthly/quraterly quota. I have not seen monthly/quarterly quota in any USCIS document but then I have not read most of them.

    What is ROW and POW, please? I have seen both used in several posts (I am hoping POW is not Prisoner of War:)) Still learning the immigration lingo!

    Visa number retrogression has no basis in the number of I 485s received. It is based on the number approved.
    In the current melee, it will be a huge number of 485s applied, it does not mean the 485s will be approved any quicker.
    Hence I am not sure where you all are getting these rumors from.

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