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  • 10/10/2007. :)

    what was your i-485 notice date?

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  • This is not the correct understanding. I know this myth is propogated millions of times in millions of board and so now this myth has become "truth" for millions. But that is not the correct way USCIS does things.

    Country specific limit - 9% does NOT have any realtion to "assigning numbers". it is just meant to "approve 485 - mail you a real physical green card".

    In ROW cataegory other countries are also bound with this 9 (7 + 2) % limit for Visa granting. For an example - For Pakistan USCIS will never grant more than 9% visa per year no matter how many applications from Pakistan have been assigned a valid visa number. Same will go true for Britain or any "other" country.

    In reality How USCIS divide 28.6% among countires - That is unknown mystery and nobody surely know that. And that is why I had to assume "equal shares - 5 part" in my analysis assuming USCIS works fairly but we all know that is a bullshit too :)

    I completely agree with your last 2 lines. But I don't agree with the even dividing of the number into 5 categories of I,P,C,M,ROW.
    Let's take an example. Suppose for some odd coincidence....the first 8000 odd EB3 apps that USCIS processes starting Oct 1.....none are from I,P,C,M. Suppose First 2500 are from Uk, next 2500 from France, next 2500 Germany and the next 508 from Pakistan. Now the number for ROW at this point would be 8008. Now they get another app from UK next. Will they refuse to process that app as the ROW figure had reached? Then they will still process more than 2500 for I,P,C,M. Won't that be unfair to UK applicants.

    As I have said a couple of times now, and so have a few others - ROW cannot be capped at X/5. Due to the high demand from I,P,C, likely gets a MINIMUM of (100 - (7 X 4)) X EB3 cap.

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  • I received a phone call (WOW!) from a sweet lady from CIS Ombudsman's office. I sent letters to his office and in the letter I mentioned my cell #. Anyway she wants a real person who got deniel. I told her that my friend got deniel (IVens are my fried). Anyway, she sent an email too after I asked her to give her info so that my friend can send her his case details. Unfortunately, the email I received shortly after the conversation, looks like general and does not have her ID. Please PM me if you like to hear more about the phone call.
    Thank you for your correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman).

    We greatly appreciate your comments regarding issues concerning the American Competitiveness Act in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) processing at the service centers. As we have received several inquiries such as yours, we are currently discussing these issues with USCIS and reviewing their policies and procedures regarding adjudication of these petitions.

    If you have evidence of a specific I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status case that you feel was erroneously denied due to USCIS not adhering to AC21 guidelines, we kindly ask that you please immediately forward us a case problem request, including a copy of your denial notice, detailed information as to the reasons for the immediate denial, and, if appropriate, evidence that you have submitted a Motion to Reopen or Reconsider.

    Instructions for completing a DHS Form 7001 (case problem) can be found on our website:

    Please submit your case problem and supporting documents via email to or via facsimile to 202-357-0042 with the subject AC21 Evidence of Immediate Denial.

    Thank you for your cooperation.


    CIS Ombudsman
    Hi gc4me, Can you please open a new thread that you have got a phone call from Ombudsman. People will see the thread and will get more motivated. If you think, it will not help, please ignore.

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  • It seems more and more cases are getting pre-adjudicated. This is something we all knew but its good to see its pace in a nice little chart. I like these new USCIS site improvements

    USCIS: National Processing Volumes and Trends (

    Hey there is not change for immigration yet...but i think things are certainly much better than a year ago...maybe it will be a little better next year...atleast its not getting worse :)

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  • On the flip side, if this is only a rumor, then USCIS/DOS won't comment at all.


    H1 quota will be over on day 1 also started as a rumor ..however USICS quickly jumped and clarified how they will handle the situation ..i hope the same this time also .

    Only intresting thing is will they accept applications on day 1 and cover their skin ?...Then no body can question DOS/USICS as they always had a reason to defend themself....Guys what ever happens if you can file today thats fine else use fedex same day service and make sure the application will reach b4 5 on monday

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  • Hello lost in gc land..
    i got no slip..VO said..approved and kept the forms and 797 and pp and said you will get it by courier.

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  • Lets focus on US media. I have sent emails to ABC, CNN , DallasNews so far none of them covered :-(

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  • I also sent the letters. Just now received a standard form reply which asks me to go to or call the customer service center if I have any questions about my case. It seems that they did not realize that the letter I sent was not about "my" case but about an issue that is affecting everybody. It seems like they did not even read our letters!!

    I am sorry if I am wrong, but do you think if IV CORE try to hold a meeting with top CIS officials on this issue, wouldn't that be more effective? Many members reported not getting proper response to letters. Who knows whether anyone @CIS has time & willingness to read and act on our letters? Why not take an active approach rather than passive one?

    I agree, We still should send the letters though. I will send mine by monday Nov. 10. Meanwhile, if we can do the webfax or email, we may can have more members participate. just my 2 cents!

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  • This message is posted on USCIS website.
    Atleast the Director is now aware of the sufferings of GC filers.

    The flower campaign ( is getting heard.

    Message from USCIS Director Emilio Gonzalez

    I understand that individuals are planning to send flowers to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) beginning on Tuesday, July 10. USCIS has made arrangements to forward those flowers to our injured service members recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and at Bethesda Naval Hospital.


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  • What stops USCIS is the per country cap. They can only issue so many visas to EB-3 I.

    What is the per country cap for India?

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  • Can we apply two labors with different companies for single person in PERM ?
    my labor is approved with B company in Aug2010.
    my employer (company A - holding my h1) also applied labor in July2010.
    they are called employer and want to visit company and consultant work place
    USCIS visited wrong address and they mailed to my employer like below
    1) If MR. is employed by your organization;
    2) The start date of MR. employment with your organization;
    3) The specific geographic location and physical address MRs working at;
    4) The current client that MR is assigned to. Please also provide contact information for a representative of that end client and a copy of the contract. You also indicated that you have filed a new LCA with the Department of Labor � please provide a copy of that LCA.
    5) The specific job duties that MR is performing;
    6) And the current annual compensation of MR.. Please provide a copy of the IRS Form W-2 issued to MR for 2009 as well as recent payroll documentation for July 2010 to present.

    I am working in Govt client,I can provide above all the documents except may not provide representative name and number.
    how can i manage this situation,please give me suggestion and share your experiences.


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  • hello, anyone with this info pls reply

    What is non immigrant visa number (page 2 of 485 form)?

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  • Don't know.

    Can somebody please give us the link of the document that shows how many applied , yearwise.

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  • Hi All,
    I am on a business trip to Chennai and I was interviewed for my H1-B renewal on Dec 6th 2007, unaware of the PIMS as it was not mentioned anywhere on the website that it will take this long to receive the passport. I was granted my visa within few minutes but till date (Jan 1st, 08) I have not received my passport. Was interviewed at the Chennai consulate. It has been heights of frustration as I had to spend all my Christmas holidays and New years at Chennai with all my fly being in US. I was supposed to return to US on Dec19th had to postpone my tickets to Dec 24th and then to Dec 29th. Now finally I have cancelled my tickets as it was costing me $200 every time I modify my itinerary.The US consulate, Chennai keeps on extending the processing time from 3 to 7 to 10 and it has been 15 working days already now, but still no passport in hand. Last week on Friday (Dec 28th) got an email that it might take additional 7 working days, huh ! Good thing is my company is in Chennai so atleast I can go to work or else it would have been really painful.
    Was anybody else interviewed at Chennai during that black week ??? with similar situation ?
    Good luck everybody.

    Interviewed on 6th and got passport on Dec 17th. Luckily we did not have to reschedule our travel. I can feel the pain and frustration of you..God Bless you and good luck with your passport.

    H A P P Y N E W Y E A R - 2008.

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  • I have one more question, What should I fill in 1-9 lines? Should I fill with Primary applicant information?
    Fill it with both primary and derivative details. Write in small font with a pen. This will avoid different forms for each applicant.

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  • Hi Friends,

    I am really sick and tired of my attorney. He is making money out of immigrants but he does not like immigrants based on our dicussion.
    I think we are very well educated and can easily take care of 485 filing.
    My attorney will charge me at least $3000 for it although I got his referral from AILA. On top of that he delays filing my PERM and 140 and having serious attitude problem.
    I can easily take care of 485 filing by myself.
    My only and great concern is- Is my attorney can screw up my GC processing if I fire him and file 485 on my own?

    Your Thoughts..


    I doubt that the lawyer would purposely hurt a former client. Its not just unethical, its really malpractice. And its not like lawyers done get fired and they cant handle getting fired.

    However, please do make sure that you have all documents that you need to do your own 485 filing. If there are some documents like 140 approval or other stuff that only he has, then you will have to get it out of him, which he just might delay (a little) in case if he is an absolute nut job.

    For me, I dont care what the lawyer thinks of immigrants as long as the job is done in a TIMELY manner without mistakes. If he hates immigrants and votes for Jeff Sessions, I dont care about it. All I want is TIMELINESS and ERROR FREE job. After that, he can hate anyone he wants and stick pins in voodoo dolls of immigrants.

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  • boreal, cool down. Just think what you will do if you are in that situation.
    At personal level ( micro level) these people are making right decisions. As long as you are not committing crime, nothing wrong with making decisions which are good for you. I will probably do the same thing if I am in that situation.
    The core problem with system was cheap money because of lax lending standard and low interest rates ( blame Greenspan) and affordable housing (like ACORN from Dems). These decisions are made by people in power and so called smart people. Individuals do have their contribution to the problem but the macro decisions provided them means to have things which they can not afford. The bubble had to burst sooner or later ....
    So right now, remember wealth is always relative. So since you haven't bought house, you don't have negative equity or declining value home.You haven't foreclosed so you can still get loan at decent rate and buy house at much cheaper price. All the people with money in the market are affected by recent downturn. So relatively speaking you are doing much better than a lot of other people ....
    BTW I am in the same situation as you are and waiting for good opportunity to buy house at cheap price. Do you see the positive side ? I hope you do .....

    People like you and boreal are doing much better because you decided that a 2 bed room house for rent is what you can afford because the prices shot up by guys like punjabi who wanted to make money and overbid on an house they cannot afford. Otherwise guys like you and many others would have bought house at a resonable price.
    Don't you see what is happening? They live a rich man's life buying house that they cannot afford and then they foreclose with banks taking the hit. The banks in turn gets money from Governement, which they tax on people like you and many others who are renting, so that the guys like pubjabi are entitled to big house and bailouts. This is sick. Where is my bail out money. I want my rent to be subsidized too. I think boreal 's anger is real.

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    Dear Friends and well wishers,

    Please take a minute and Your call today can help half million people ( Talented, Legal immigrants ) in waiting ...

    HR5882 was sponsored by Congresswoman Lofgren and Congressman Sensenbrenner. This bill recaptures all the unused visa numbers that have been lost since 1992 due to processing delays in Employment based category and Family category. It is estimated that 216000 green cards will be recaptured which would help to eleviate the employment based backlogs.

    Please use the instructions provided below to make the phone calls.
    (1) Call the congressman/woman office and request to speak with the aide who handles Legislative and Immigration matters
    (2) If they are not available leave a VM for them -
    "I would like Representative "Representative Name" to support HR 5882, bill to recapture the green cards lost due to processing and bureaucratic delays. As you may already know that this is a bi-partisan bill with wide bipartisan support in the house and will help improve American competitiveness & reduce the back logs associated with USCIS. This bill is non controversial measures that will help US to stay competitive with a highly educated and skilled work force and address family based backlogs also."

    To All congress-critters:
    In a nutshell, this bill allows USCIS to manage their workflow more effectively, which provides better customer service, and will eventually lead to better turn-around times.

    Pls inform Majority Members Democrats: More people will be able to get their citizenship in reasonable times.
    Member Name DC Phone
    Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL) 202-225-8203
    Howard L. Berman (D-CA) 202-225-4695
    Maxine Waters (D-CA) 202-225-2201
    Bill Delahunt (D-MA) 202-225-3111
    Keith Ellison (D-MN) 202-225-4755
    Anthony Weiner (D-NY) 202-225-6616

    Please inform Minority Members Republicans: Companies will be able to attract more talent which improves economic performance."
    Member Name DC Phone
    Steve King (R-IA) [Ranking Member] 202-225-4426
    Elton Gallegly (R-CA) 202-225-5811
    Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) 202-225-5431
    Dan Lungren (R-CA) 202-225-5716
    J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) 202-225-6365
    Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035

    (3) As usual Do NOT get into the CIR issue or illegal Immigration. If the aide is confusing with CIR or illegal immigration, just tell them that these are legal immigration bills.
    (4) If the aide asks whether you belong to the district or not, tell them NO if you don't. Mention to them that you already spoke with your representative and would like the congressman/congresswoman support.

    Community of half million will appreciate and bless you for your efforts...
    Thank You
    House Judiciary Committee Members
    Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) 202- 225-2906
    Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) 202-225-4695
    Rick Boucher (D-Va.) 202-225-3861
    Chris Cannon (R-Utah)202- 225-7751
    Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) 202-225-2216
    Howard Coble (R-N.C.) 202-225-3065
    Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.)202- 225-3265
    John Conyers (D-Mich.), Chairman 202-225-5126
    William D. Delahunt (D-Mass.)202- 225-3111
    Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) 202-225-4755
    Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) 202-225-2706
    J. Randy Forbes (R-Va.)202- 225-6365
    Trent Franks (R-Ariz.)202- 225-4576
    Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.)202- 225-5811
    Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) 202-225-3035
    Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)202- 225-5431
    Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.)202- 225-8203
    Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)202- 225-3906
    Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) 202-225-1605
    Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) 202-225-2676
    Ric Keller (R-Fla.)202- 225-2176
    Steve King (R-Iowa)202- 225-4426
    Dan Lungren (R-Calif.)202- 225-5716
    Mike Pence (R-Ind.) 202-225-3021
    Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.)202- 225-4176
    Robert C. Scott (D-Va.) (202) 225-8351
    Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) 202-225-5911
    Lamar S. Smith (R-Texas), Ranking Member 202- 225-4236
    Betty Sutton (D-Ohio) 202-225-3401
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) 202-225-7931
    Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) 202-225-2201
    Anthony D. Weiner (D-N.Y.) 202-225-6616
    Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) 202-225-3001

    More info :
    Please take a minute and review the list of Judiciary members If you, your friends, or your
    family have any district-based connection with any of them, please reach out to these members (phone, email, fax, etc), let them know how important it is to get the bill passed this month and urge them to vote YEA on the bill. Constituent interest/support from key individuals, health care providers, recruiters and other organizations is critical at this stage.

    It will be great be to have major support from House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, September 10, 2008. In these economic and crucial times for our country...

    If the HJC successfully passes the measure it will allow the full House to act on HR 5924, giving half million talented legal immigrants a ray of hope for action in 2008. Sure a very good step for USA.

    The House Judiciary Committee intends to markup HR 5924, the Emergency Nursing Supply Relief Act, on Wednesday, September 10. Several other measures will also be marked up, including HR 5882, Congresswoman Lofgren's recapture legislation, HR 6020 (military), and HR 5950 (medical care for immigration detainees).

    28.6%/5 = 5.72% for EB3-India + Spillover from EB2 and EB1, not more than 10,000 of which to "Other Workers".
    28.6%/5 = 5.72% for EB2-India + spillover from EB1
    28.6%/5 = 5.72% for EB1-India + spillover from EB4 and EB5

    Each category is 28.6% WW Quota.

    WW Quota consists of 5 country specific sub-quotas 1)India 2)China 3) Mexico 4) Philipines 5)ROW.

    Based on page 1, I do math as under for Philippines categories.

    1) Quota for EB4 -->7% x 140000/5=1960, Pending: 70 Quota to be spilled over to EB1= 1890
    2) Quota for EB5 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 0 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1960
    3) Quota for EB1 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + EB4 spillover 1890 + EB5 spillover 1960 = 11858 - pending 74 = Total
    11784 will go to EB2
    4) Quota for EB2 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 11784 =19792, Pending: 510, So total 19282 VISA numbers will be spilled
    over to EB3.
    5) Quota for EB3 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 19282 spill over =27290 - 11563 Pending = 15727 VISA extra.
    6) �Other Workers� � Pending: 264 TOTAL UNUSED VISAS = 15727-264 = 15463 UNUSED VISAS will go to the quota
    of other countries.

    Based on page 3, I do math as under for ROW categories.

    1) Quota for EB4 -->7% x 140000/5=1960, Pending: 1378 Quota to be spilled over to EB1= 582
    2) Quota for EB5 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 40 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1920
    3) Quota for EB1 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + EB4 spillover 582 + EB5 spillover 1920 = 10510 - pending 2477 = Total
    8033 will go to EB2
    4) Quota for EB2 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 8033 =16031, Pending: 7150, So total 8881 VISA numbers will be spilled
    over to EB3.
    5) Quota for EB3 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 8881 spill over =16889. Pending: 62840 -16889 = 45951 applications will
    still be pending and pushed to year 2011.

    Based on page 4, I do math as under for China categories.

    1) Quota For EB4 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 384 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1576
    2) Quota For EB5 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 13 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1947
    3) Quota for EB1 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + EB4 spillover 1576 + EB5 spillover 1947 = 11531 - pending 607 =
    Total 10924 will go to EB2
    4) Quota for EB2 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 10924 =18932, Pending: 19333, So total 401 applications will be pushed to
    year 2011 with pending approval.
    5) Quota for EB3 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + no spillover = 8008 � 6343 Pending = 1665 visas Extra.
    6) �Other Workers� � Pending: 30 TOTAL UNUSED VISAS = 1665-30 = 1635 UNUSED VISAS will go to the quota
    of other countries.

    Based on page 5, I do math as under for India categories.

    1) Quota for EB4 -->7% x 140000/5=1960, Pending: 123 Quota to be spilled over to EB1= 1960-123 = 1837
    2) Quota for EB5 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 13 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1960-13 = 1947
    3) Quota for EB1 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + EB4 spillover 1837 + EB5 spillover 1947 = 11792 - pending 418 = Total
    11374 will go to EB2
    4) Quota for EB2 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 11374 =19382, Pending: 47728, So total 28346 applications will still be
    pending for year 2011.
    5) Quota for EB3 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008, no spill over. Pending: 62607 -8008 = 54599 applications will still be pending
    and pushed to year 2011.

    Based on page 6, I do math as under for Mexico categories.

    1) Quota For EB4 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 62 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1960-62=1898
    2) Quota For EB5 --> 7% x 140000 / 5 = 1960, Pending: 0 Quota to be spilled over to EB1 = 1960
    3) Quota for EB1 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + EB4 spillover 1898 + EB5 spillover 1960 = 11866 - pending 174 =
    Total 11692 will go to EB2
    4) Quota for EB2 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 11692 =19700, Pending: 211, So total 19489 applications will spill over to
    EB3 category.
    5) Quota for EB3 --> 5.72% x 140000 = 8008 + 19489 spillover = 27497 � 7878 Pending = 19619 visas Extra.
    6) �Other Workers� � Pending: 8415 TOTAL UNUSED VISAS = 19619-8415 = 11204 UNUSED VISAS will go to the quota
    of other countries.

    TOTAL UNUSED VISAS = 15463 + 1635 + 11204 = 28302.

    Assuming these unused visas from Philippines, China and Mexico will be used for India, ROW equally India will benefit additional 14151 VISAS this year. Assuming all of these go to EB2 India Pushed down figure for EB2-India for the year 2011 will be 28346 � 14151 = 14195 pending EB2-I applications ready to go to year 2011.

    Excellent Analysis.

    Hi GC ON DEMAND, I think you are right... Looks like we did not receive any spill over from EB1 and EB2 ROW --- Here are the calcs...

    Regular EB2 ROW gets 34,436 -- see below for break down

    We know that EB2 gets 140,000 * 28.6% of visas which is 40,040.
    Out of 40,040, 7% is allocated to china and an other 7% goes to India.
    So EB2 ROW = 40,040 - 2*(40,040*7%) = 34,436 -------------------------------------------- (1)

    In the document that you have, EB2 ROW received 27, 406 visas... How? see below

    Total allocation for Eb2 (A1) - 53,872
    India received (B1) - 19,961
    China's received (C1) - 6,505
    EB2 (ROW) net = A1-(B1+C1) = 27,406 -------------------------------------------------------- (2)

    EB2 (I&C) Regular quota {2*(40,040*7%)} = 5,604 -------------------------------------------(3)

    (1) - (2) - (3) gives the spill over from EB2 ROW to EB2 (I&C), which is 1,426

    Which means EB2 ROW to EB2 I&C spill over is mere 1,426 ???? Hope we are wrong... this looks scary...

    The calculation looks incorrect.

    You considered the I+ C allocations and subtracted those in line 1. You again subtracted those in your final calculation.

    The straight forward calculation is EB2 ROW is entitled to 34,436 (1) and they used 27,406 (2). So splillover was around 7 K.

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