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  • Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.

    If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
    If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.

    I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.

    I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
    I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.





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  • your views are correct and analysis looks o.k. too the problem is even the genuine ones get flushed away ..survival of the fittest is not working now at all !!! say a person from worldwide comes in eb3 and say he is just a car mechanic (I know few from south korea who are in this situation) ..they get GC faster than Indian / Chinese EB2 / EB3 applicant (with 10 years experience and good bank balance)
    and Karma means ..do your work / duty and don't worry about results ..we need that ..i.e SEVERAL SMALL Campaigns (since big is not possible now due to members leaving IV / getting dejected that nothing is happening etc etc
    let us not analyze and discuss too much ..we talk a lot and hence the karma that we get is more talk from so called Experts ..lets do numerous small campaigns ..at the very least people will start coming back to IV plus new memberships





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  • I understand the mood among fellow Indians , due to substantial dates movement for ROW but it dint move enough for India. Lets take the high road and stop bickering among ourselves and lets get back to the Action Item which needs to be done.

    You are assuming of course that all those who fall in the India category are Indians - I am not. I'm a Canadian who happened to be born in India and thus fall into that same bucket. My fellow Canadians who were born in Canada and are now in the US all support me in the removal of per country limits. Let us be more accurate and refer to this as the "mood amongst fellow Indian-born applicants", as opposed to "fellow Indians".





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  • I think we should contact DHS and all government agencies about the USCIS-DOS scam -

    http://www.dhs.gov/xoig/
    (their Mission Statement - To serve as an independent and objective inspection, audit, and investigative body to promote effectiveness, efficiency, and economy in the Department of Homeland Security's programs and operations, and to prevent and detect fraud, abuse, mismanagement, and waste in such programs and operations. )





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  • Signs and Warning...

    1. Mostly he seems to be a weird guy.
    * God has given us special white blood cells that can find these guys.
    * Listen to your inner soul when it says 'I don't feel comfortable'.

    2. He walks with empty hands (RICH people) while all others in the shop walk with a cart and/or some goods.

    3. Talks loudly, using words as if he is lending money to Warren Buffett or Bill Gates..

    4. His approach.
    * Are you Mr.<a name in south/north depends on your appearance>?
    * I can't believe I meet you here.
    * You look very familiar to me.
    * You look like my younger brother / son / daughter / friend / father / mother / cousin / tomato / carrot / spinach etc

    5. Look for these words...
    * Do you want to make LOT of money? (eventhough he looks like a crap, wandering in a grocery store not buying anything, driving a 1990 Toyotta Tercel).
    * I have a wonderful business opportunity for you.
    * What do you do in your free time?
    * I am running a eBusiness, eCommerce etc.
    * Do you want to make use of your free time in a productive way.
    * Count the number of times he uses the word 'Money', if it is more than 2 times, he is from that cult.

    6. Finally,
    * Can we meet sometimes this week?
    * Do you want to attend a Business Meetting (!) with top heads next week?
    * Do you want to just see what we are doing? (Why the hell I need to see?)
    * Do you want to join us for a Tea, Cofee... (Believe me, they won't call you for Lunch or Dinner, eventhough they always talk about the LOT OF MONEY they have made)


    I read lot of news from school and I learnt this 'multi-link' business 20 to 25 years back. So as soon as he asked me if I wish to make 'LOT OF MONEY' without working, I understood that the poisonous snakes had entered US long time back.

    I had only one encounter 10 years back that went up to the so called 'Business meeting with Tea Party' because I was new to US and these guys were using an updated terminology.

    From then on, I enjoy if I meet such people in Malls, grocery stores, Walmarts. I let him talk for about 20 - 30 mins when my wife is shopping. Asking him very basic questions as if I have not seen a $10 bill in my life. By the time he realizes that I am playing, my wife finishes shopping and we leave.

    This way you can keep yourself updated on the tricks. Amazingly these guys read technology news a lot than us and upgrade their techniques.





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  • I have a unique situation
    1. My PD is EB3 July 2004.
    2. My wife's PD is EB2 Jan 2005
    3. I am dependent on my wife's 485 filed on July 2007. Her I140 is approved.
    4. I switched job on EAD I got from her adjustment application,but earlier company has retained my I140 application.
    The H1 from earlier company expires in August 2008.

    Question is what are my options regarding using my I140.

    1. Can i port my PD for my Wife's application, since it is 6 months earlier ?
    2. Is there a possibility that I can use my I140 whenever it is approved to get an EAD independently since I have already applied for adjustment from my wife's application and not be a dependent on my wife's case.





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  • DO i = 1 to Infinity:
    discuss /* lawsuits, letter campaign etc etc */.
    discuss some more.
    pessimists dismiss everything. /* start again */
    End.

    That's all that we do ...the same points again and again ...members get bored and they leave ..if only we were to start having numerous small campaigns !!! at the very least there would be some enthusiasm ..well maybe one day wishes will come true :rolleyes:
    for every good point there are 100 naysayers, cynics and pessimists !!





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  • I strongly feel you guys are right regarding EB1 misuse. I also know of some people who are applying in EB1 using these loopholes. we should do something to stop this fraud.





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  • If this is indeed true, isn't it unfair to issue visas to Feb 2006 dates at a Consulate while people with 2005 dates are waiting for AOS. Can this be challenged in court?





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  • What has EB5 to do with amway?
    Did I mention I'm making millions? Obviously on the way, but atleast I have something to fall back to if I loose my job. Do you?

    Really... Millions... Have you checked the disclaimer in your lit pack under the 6-4-3 plan. A typical IBO makes $115 a month... Amway / BWW was forced to put this statement because of a lawsuit brought by Amway Diamonds and Double Diamonds... You can google...

    I know you will now state that "you don't want to be an average... an average corporate employee makes $30K.. etc.. etc.." (Straight from Brad Duncan's CD) I have used it myself hundreds of times on the prospects...

    "..veracity of this statement"
    Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
    Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.

    By the way did you call IRS to check.. or you are just believing what Kanti / Kumar / Raj or any other Diamond told you.. Oh another thing that they regularly mention in their trainings "IRS and USCIS don't share data so IRS won't know if you are on H1 or not"... USCIS can ask for your Tax returns before granting Green Card...

    May be you have not received 1099 from Amway yet but the 1099 income on 1040 goes under a separate head "Self Employment"...

    I know you will respond with some nasty stuff but I urge you to take the emotional hat off and think rationally (which I know is very hard as I had faced the same things) about the direction that Amway is taking... especially in Indian community... Do you see many Indian faces these days in the Amway's Inspire magazine or new Rubys, Emeralds, or Diamonds...

    This is a good way to make some residual income (I still get monthly check 4 years after stopping to build it) but millions??? Not many EDCs and Diamonds make that money if you exclude the money from CDs, Books, CommuniKate etc..

    Good luck!





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  • How about rajinikanth, vijaykanth, kamalhasan..........

    Amitab bachan, hrithick, shah rukh..............

    If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?

    We can keep guessing but you know who is the right guy ,

    Abdul kalaam (can a president become a prime minister too again or something will limit him not to).

    Or deport bobby jindal there and make him india PM so that he can release statements about US from there :D:D:D

    If vijayakanth becomes PM...we dont have to worry about pak terror any more.
    By talk itself this guy will kill every one...

    By the way I also nominate T.Rajendar...

    Why would only we suffer.





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  • I am not sure what vision Mr.Advani has for India. May be at this age he might have better vision than other people in the same league.

    Lets not bring Age into the picture. Manmohan is not much younger either and has had 2 heart surgeries so far. Economy is not the PMs only job. The real power rests with Sonia and my personal opinion is that Advani is a lot more competent than her. Manmohan is just a mask of Congress. "Mukhvta".





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  • Is unclear to me what the law is for those 2 cases

    1) You are with the employer that sponsored I140 and you get GC.

    2) You use AC21 and move to employer B and get you GC while at employer B.

    In both cases more than 6 months have lapsed since the I485 filling

    And the question is...:

    Are you free, after getting the GC, to move to another company or you need to stay with current employer for a certain amount of time?
    How would USCIS know if you moved?





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  • Hi Neocor,

    I understand your frustration very well. Of course the labor substitution is not logical, but it is not the root of the problem. Just think rationally how many people take advantage of this option. The real cause of our problem is Number of Visas. As long as it is legal, people will go for it. They should not be blamed, rather it is our inability that we didn't find the right "Approved Labor". If you find something suitable, will you not go for it?





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  • Allowing anybody with an approved labour certification to immediately file for their 485 is clearly a bad idea given the constraints of the system as outlined by unitednations. We could make a change in our proposal so that only people with, say, a five year old priority date and an approved 140 could file for their 485 without a current priority date. oguinan

    a 3-yr deadline..as I just entered my 4th year of this endless pain..





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  • I wonder what is causing people to say this water is for Kanndiga's. This state is only for Marathas.
    Water issues always arise when the stae above tries to have as much as it can with no regard to the sates below. Instead of politicians in Karnataka thinking we should play fair, they stoke the regional sentiments saying we will give our lives to protect Kannadiga interests. Same story with every state where there are enough gullible people to assume that they are fighting for their right. As long as they have fish to bite the race/ethnicity/language/caste cards, they will do it.
    If you can't find anything to be proud of about India, then I don't know what to say.

    I am following the discussion. The reason I mentioned about Maratha issue is to bring attention to the fact that I have issue with the segregation on basis of regional/ethnicity and not against Tamilians specifically.

    Remember this is 2009. If that doesn't answer your question on why shouldn't compare Bangladesh with Srilanka, nothing ever will. (You can wake up the person who is sleeping , but you can't wake up some one who is pretending to be sleeping.)

    I am an Indian and my native tongue is not Tamil. I donot consider the issue in Srilanka as Tamil issue. I don't consider it as Indian issue either. I consider it as Srilankan issue.

    Hope this addresses some of your questions.

    Originally Posted by minimalist
    ---For one second hold on your patriotism for India. What kind of greatness did you find in India? Supreme court orders to share the water between TN and Karnadaka. But state of karnataka don't obey the court order. Everytime TN has to beg for water. Same is true with Kerala. Bihari, peoples can not go and work in Maharastra; It is shame that happens in same country. why Bihar to Maharastra? You can not bring the TN labors just live 2 km from kerala border to work in tea estate in Kerala where communist has strong union to protest the job taken away by other state labors. Here we are talking about restriction on H1B. It is just two examples of millions of social, economical, political problems in India.

    ...
    -----Are you following what we are discussing? We are not talking about Maratha for Marathi or Tamilnadu for Tamils.


    ----May we know why one should not compare India's role in Bangladesh with SL?.

    The problem with SL issue, most of the Indians consider this issue as a "Tamil" issue rather than "Indian" issue.Thats why, though severity and number of life lost in SL is much greater than bangladesh, people ask this type of question.





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  • I think, it is too light a sentence for the crook





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  • There was a huge discussion during the presedential campaign on why Obama is a great choice...but looks like he is just another socialist democrat. John Mccain would have been a better choice, but we can't control this so best of luck to all. There are plenty of jobs in other countries including india. not the end of world.





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  • Theres no argument about EB2 retrogression. It will retrogress defenitely in the next few bulletins. But the retrogression would be mild one and that would be there only for a VERY SHORT SPAN of time. After that the cut off dates would run like to reach the CURRENT.

    Vdlrao

    Appreciate your thoughtful and encouraging posts. Continuing with Ron Gotcher's line of reasoning:

    "It is worth mentioning that the CIS has never adjudicated more than 85,000 EB AOS cases in a single fiscal year - though this year it is possible they may process as many as 110,000 if they go all out. Keep this fact, together with the size of the backlog, in mind when trying to estimate how long it will take them to get to your case when your priority date becomes current."

    How do you reconcile USCIS productivity with the number of visas that are available? In other words, although there may be sufficient numbers available to move the priority dates forward in the next fiscal year, USCIS can only adjudicate a limited number of cases per year.





    What do you have to say about all well educated and intelligent bureaucrat IAS, IPS etc..

    Most of the so called well educated & intelligent bureaucrat IAS, IPS etc are bottom feeders and crooks. They are only there to milk the system dry and fill their own pockets. No offence but these so called IAS/IPS folks are te ones that have screwed the Indian democracy and given it a bad name.





    IV Core and Administrators

    1. AOS applicants using EAD are presently unaffected (if they do not have H1) by this memo. Could you please inquire from USCIS contacts, in case more similar "guidelines" are being planned for folks using EADs?

    2. Also is something more being planned/announced for AC21's "same or similar" criteria? A while back we had a thread collecting evidences and suggestions from the IV members about its interpretation. Please help provide a status update about the meetings with USCIS, IV core group discussions and plans, etc.

    Thanks for all your efforts.

    Best Wishes for all.



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