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  • With a comment "ooooo". I want the IV admin's to find out who that coward is and ban them from any and every board that is out there on internet. If they don't do it, I will be so scared of posting any of my thoughts in future as that person will come and give me more red , depriving IV of a valuable member.
    Just kidding. As you guessed, things are a little slow at work today.


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  • Most of the state colleges, (In my case, none of the state colleges), including under-grad and medical schools, will accept application, if you do not have GC/ US citizenship. I tried, wrote letters, but of no use.
    You can apply and get admission in private college, which of course cost much more.
    Also, we were not able to take any federal loans.

    Hi Dinesh, in your quote above were you intending to say that most state colleges WILL NOT accept applications if you do not have GC/citizenship? So to attend a state college you NEED TO BE a GC holder/citizen? If that is the case how come lot of international students come here and attend state colleges for MS/Phds and get assistanships/fee waivers?

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  • Guys,

    off late we have been getting a steady stream of good news, updates , changes mostly to our favor.

    It is not because someone in govt thought of giving us a break (if they did then I say give him/her a promotion/ merit increase what ever)....
    It IS because people just like YOU fought for it....

    Support IVs efforts ... these guys are putting their heart and soul into it... these guys are trying to help you fight.... these guys are one of YOU.

    We ALL share a common goal,
    Piece by piece, amendment by amendment, exec order by exec order, slowly but surely they will try and do the best they can to make your lives easier, OUR lives easier.

    Please help .... donate to sustain OUR efforts.

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  • Our letters are in the mail. Updated the poll yesterday. Who is next? :)


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  • Nicely said! You just reminded us, what all of us often forget, that we are Indians by birth and are here for various personal/professional reasons.

    I always wondered how NRIs end up comparing both countries.USA and India are in different stages of evolution. Remember India attained independence only in 1947 unlike USA which had independence since 200plus years.

    Being such a young country and depleted of most of it's rich natural resources by constant invaders for centuries together, it is just gathering it's strength back.

    Progress in India is palpable at every level of society compared to a decade or two back. But burdened with heavy population, it's trying to turn it's weakness into a strength! The very fact that we hear India's name all the time in various news channels and especially CNBC makes me think that world is noticing!

    So many of us are so confident to live anywhere in the world with the education we recieved in India.

    It's OK to praise other countries for what they achieved but please don't belittle India. I don't see anyother countrymen being cynical about their country of birth like we Indians!!

    Jai Hind!

    Dear friends, why do you seek to start bashing your country at the first opportunity you get. THere are people in the Indian Govt who are negotiating on your behalf to make sur you get your money back.

    THen on the question of paying bribes to get money out of PPF - something is better than nothing. Why complain. If it is so bad, go back and fight to fix the system, otherwise stop maoning. India is the only country that will welcome you if you are kicked out of here. I remember i used to pay 50 INR per ticket for a railway seat, now i go online and book a ticket. Things change they take time and patience.

    Only those people who have NEVER bribed anyone to get stuff done illegally, or out of turn should speak. And i know there is no one, since you are in US and came on a passport and we all know how passports are obtained.
    You left india, want to stay away, so leave it alone. When you are kicked out of everywhere, the doors will still be open, just keep some cash for the gatekeeper.
    Lets discuss whether this swap will be possible or not, or what the loopholes are.

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  • This guy with absolutely clean record was held for 11 weeks for verification and lost his father in this process..

    I have been trying for last 8 weeks non-stop in front of computer and I am not able to even see any open appointment...


    SENDING LETTERS TO CLINTON or may be IV rep team to meet her on this issue...

    A lot of guys are stuck and have suffered for no reason...

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  • A common misconception.

    Approving 25000 485s that were already processed and sitting in cold storage will take less than a minute.

    Approving meant simply running a program that assigned a visa number to a processed case in a loop that ran 25000 times. Such a program will complete in seconds. The paperwork for these 25k approved applications is going to take months and online updates of 485 approval are still trickling in.

    So there was no new found efficiency in USCIS as many seem to believe.
    Cmon guys do u think finding efficient ways was an issue at USCIS..They simply wont do such things..They are happy doing it a snail's pace and love the red tape. Too bad Mr. Kumar on the other side who is annxiously waiting, is being pro-active and offering help by giving algorithms.

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  • judging by how much class you're displaying sorry to say your pet dog deserves a gc more than you do. :p

    Mantric, you are absolutely right. Also, I am totally agree with your points and whatever you have mentioned in your message is appreciable.

    LOL. What a punch!!!

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  • So do you mean to say that this is allowed in India? I mean polygamy. I never knew that.

    A freind of mine came across a gentleman, who is here on work visa and he is facing a unique problem. He is married to two persons and wants to bring his whole family here in the USA. He was looking for answer if he can get both his spouses and kids here on H4 visas. Currently both of them and his kids are in India. Interesting hmmm :D

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  • I see July 16th date for California , Nebraska and Vermont but i still see June 18th for Texas.

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  • What is the effectivity date of this memo?
    May 30th or June 1st?

    I think for few people this might be bad news. Some people changed their job without I-140 being approved. Sorry guys...i used AC21 but i have approved I-140.

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  • Hi eb3retro,

    I see that your PD is Jan 2003. Mine is Mar 03. I thought I would ask you about your opininons.

    So, do you think we will get our GC in 2009?

    Do you think it would be better to move to EB2?

    Thanks for your inputs.

    hi, personally i am looking for a chance to move to eb2. Being in eb3-I is as good as u will never get ur GC,or by the time you get ur GC, u would have lost your time and patience to live in this country anymore. follow your instincts..

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  • That may be but do you actually think this practice is fair and should be legal. To me and hundreds of thousands of other folks who are patiently waiting in line, it is fraud because you are cutting in line. The sad part is we see that you are cutting in line but we can't do s**t about it just because it's legal.

    Why do we all start complaining when illegals get preferential treatment than us? We all start saying that we came here legally, we pay taxes, we waited in line, we did everything by the book.. bla bla bla. Well .. they are also getting their gc legally so the why do we complain?
    we complain about illegals because their very presence here without papers is ILLEGAL. what part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

    as far as I can tell, gmatch is not doing anything ILLEGAL. as for the practice being FAIR or NOT, that is a separate discussion.

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  • Yes... benchmarking is good (in many things as you suggest quality, corruption, infrastructure etc.)... but absolutely not in everything as you suggest, some things just aren't comparable given some micro-economic conditions. Further, doing so would also encourage the mindset of aping the developed countries in every department. Remember the India that we see has gone through hundreds of social and economic cycles over thousands of years. It is not a nation that came to being a few hundred years ago and was a developed country (in current terms) many times in the past.

    If one learns history then one also learns not to just take a slice of it for generalization! A holistic view of what happened in the past globally and our current state makes one realize the hidden riches and clear shortcomings in any nation. One need not level out it's hidden riches to clear the shortcomings !

    Yes I agree, our history and way of working is also different maybe better/worse, but defenitely way more experience! I don't think I would want to change any thing about family , friend relations and the way we help each other. Even some of the ways we think, has a lot of advantages.
    we always manage to get things done. There are a lot of unseen riches that are not realized completely.
    we should defenitely avoid aping the west, but pick the good stuff out of it.
    being open minded and having freedom of expression is good up to a certain point!

    India is India only... never compare it to US, and I do not think there is glamour attached to US green card, People who have the mind set of freedom and education and knowledge with a better quality of life still migrate to USA. There is no doubt about it India's economic grwoth comparing to US is really nothing.
    There is freedom and education even in India, I agree infrastructure needs improvement.
    India is 3rd in the world if you account for purchasing power parity. Don't trash India so soon. have you looked at how people lived in the US 40-50 years back? While I agree Indian IT should do more quality work and treat employees fairly. He no longer works with Infy, he just made generic comments.

    US economy is down and receission is meant to happen every 5 years in US some times to recover and job creation it takes longer if you read the US history and economics you will understand better. This time the open global media made it a big issue, that is about it. When the economy improves and things are better, again your so called glamour comes back. .
    This time is different, I do work in the financial industry.
    I would hate to say this - but was every recovery in the last 2 decades mostly due to a bubble that was created - dot-com, low interest, housing?
    There are not many bubbles left to create, and the debt was never this high.

    The growth of India should be more compared to Canada, that has a conservative financial system with lot of regulation. AKA no vegas.

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  • Find Job in Oregon :confused:

    Get DL which is valid for 8 yrs.:)

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  • only reason USCIS can afford to do it is becoz they are not accountable (As we are not a vote bank)...

    But with IV on our side, we can make them streamline their procedures and work efficiently - whcih has never been a priority.

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  • What happens in case of people who obtain GC through marriage and then due to some reason have to divorse? Do they have to stay married for a certain period of time?? :D:D If so how much would that be?

    I think, it is 2 years.

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  • Immigrationvoice team has been working on the publicly available USCIS data since its release on USCIS website and we have been discussing this data with top USCIS officials to clear doubts.

    Immigration Voice is releasing the analysis of the information for the community. You can view the report at


    We are putting together a list of recommendations about this data for our next meeting with USCIS. If you have suggestions, do post on the thread. We would also be updating this report on regular basis as the data is updated on USCIS site and numbers change due to approvals/pre-adjudications/field office data/ CP and spillovers. The visa bulletin movement will also be compared against the report and checked with USCIS and DOS.

    Team IV

    Note: Please read the entire document rather than just basing your judgment on the graph and the visa bulletin charts. There are several caveats and limitations of this data.

    We feel this is a one step ahead of the IV prediction tool published by IV in the past. We will continue to refine the analysis as we receive information from DOS and USCIS through our advocacy efforts.

    Thanks, good job!


    Seems like everyone losing hope including core - as someone else said above its really sad to see this. Please dont lose hope at this critical moment else all of our efforts for last two years will go waste.

    I cant imagine how much time/effort has been put into this effort by core members (as a relatively inactive member I myself could have easily spent several hundred hours on these forums in last year and half; and atleast some time in calling/faxing etc.). After all these efforts and seeing the current bill its understandable to get deeply disappointed. But dont lose hope yet. Its not over.

    Logiclife - coming this from you really shook me. At one point you were so confident that having our measures in any future CIR is but gauranteed - we thought its just a matter of time. All of us were also thinking that we are in a better position to introduce and enact amendments in this congress. We still have time (2 weeks) for amendments - why are we thinking about alternate arrangements and slowly losing hope. Does this show our level of confidence now or this thread is meant for some light hearted fun?

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