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  • I would agree with you on this for normal people but not for amway folks, when you are continously being pushed to being on the verge of harrasment then i would think that every human being would behave the way as we do
    Moreover they are the ones who push people to behave that way.
    Respect is all give and take.

    I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.

    In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!

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  • Alright the numbers are out

    We have following EB2 numbers

    <=2004 7000
    2005 10800
    2006 19250
    2007(july) 10500
    Total 47,700

    EB2-ROW have very few applicants pending as i said in my earlier message ~7200. So CIS has to approve EB2 India/China cases to meet their approval numbers.

    Thanks Sachug22.

    Dec 2009 Visa Bulletin & Jan 2010 Visa Bulletin should give us clear picture about EB2 - I forward movement (if USCIS does spill over every Quarter this fiscal year - Most likely I expect the spill over to occur every Quarter this fiscal year).

    Other important indicator would be the spillover received by Eb2 - I till Sep 2009. If spillover is more(clearing majority of 2004 - Jan 2005 cases) that would be the best case scenario.

    Overall things look very positive.

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  • The BJP is the only party that can lead India in a sane manner. The various issues that stand before India :
    - Free market reform that has been strangled by the communists and congress
    - National security . For the congress and other so called secular forces - criticizing terrorism/pakistan is tantamount to criticizing Islam. They jail Varun Gandhi for making divisive comments(agreed that the comments are in bad taste) but what about the Imam Bukharis and Mulayam singhs who make divisive comments every single day.
    - The concept of nationalism and pride was first felt during the years when Vajpayee was PM. To be honest I never felt proud to be Indian until AB Vajpayee became PM
    - Infrastructure development. The BJP is more free market than any other party. the Vajpayee administration started so many infrastructure schemes like the golden quadrilateral national highway and various others.
    - The BJP is the only party with true nationalists. You may blame them for being right wing hindus but they have more secular credentials than the congress or other so called secular forces. Now let's get this straight - Radical Islam is the biggest threat to world peace and the BJP is the only party at the national level that recognizes this threat.

    Agreed that there could be corruption in the BJP/NDA as well but atleast you know what you are getting into. Manmohan Singh is the weakest PM India has ever had whose sole goal in life is to please his masters - the Gandhi family.
    All in all you will find faults with everyone - you have to back the least of all evils.

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  • If you google retrogression, IV doesn't show up until page 2.
    Is there anyway we can change this? So that IV is the first link that shows up? Anyway know about this.

    Type "retrogression" in Google search bar - when the results page shows up, look at the right hand side, there under the Sponsored Links you will see IV advertisement and link.

    Looks pretty cool. GO IV!

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  • nope. The august bulletin which gets released mid july didn't get into our arguements at all. We were specifially talking about july filers and july month.

    Yes, i agree that if August bulletin retrogresses than that affects only august filers and not the people eligible to file in july.

    So regardless of what August bulletin says, USCIS can just, on a whim stop accepting 485 petitions in Mid July just because they have received "Too many" and the mail room clerk is tired ? I dont know but it really does not sound like something USCIS can do on a whim without publishing a change in the rule first.

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  • So gurus,
    The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
    Any more thoughts?

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  • Guys why are we fighting over something that is not helping us, no Indian politician has helped us in our journey to GC, nor have they taken interest in our welfare. We are on our own in this mess, so let us unite as one, no north south east or west we are one HINDUSTANI.

    My condolences to the Andhra CM YSR family.

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  • How did you say that are Only EB2+ EB3?

    Apart from EB2, EB3 what else would need a PERM?

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  • Is it your brainwashed mind that is speaking of that

    "..veracity of this statement"
    Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
    Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.

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  • this depends on the number of approvals and not on the number of applications received. Even if there are tons of applications received, unless there are enough approvals happening simultaneously, dates would not retrogress in the middle of the month.

    USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the number of such approvals.

    These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.

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  • Three facts, followed by one interpretation.

    First: several members (incl self) have checked with their own lawyers and these lawyers tend to agree with the common interpretation of validity for entire month. And at least some of these are lawyers with many years of practice.

    Second: Fragomen, the largest immigration law firm, on its website mentions the mid-month possibility; so while there is no government source, the whole topic cannot be dismissed as an unfounded rumor.

    Third: Macaca keeps cutting and pasting from the ombudsman's report in many different colors.

    My interpretation:
    The mid-month concept seems to be a matter of opinion. Multicolor posts notwithstanding, there's nothing official on this matter so far. (I emailed the state department seeking an answer; not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. If anyone else can get something from the horse's mouth, then post it here. If you can get stuff only from the other end of the horse, then maybe there's isn't much pointing in driving a general panic.)

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  • If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)

    Since you dont have your GC details filled in your profile, I would assume your interest in this website is not related to immigration. You might come back arguing that your GC process is about to start or this is public forum and anyone can post anything.

    Now, looking at the pattern of your postings, you seem to bash YSR, Jagan clan of people. (Not that I like them)..It looks like you have other political interests in this bashing as against genuine concern for people, 'coz you dont seem to acknowledge that TDP is a corrupt party. I am sure you are a pro-TDP, pro-NTR,NBK(iether by caste or whatever).

    If what I think you are is what you are, then its people like you who are responsible for the rise of these kind of politicians.

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  • Go to your postings in this thread and read what you wrote in "Brain Damage". You wanted to distribute sweets??? How do you feel when YS Jagan grabs what you have in your village? You were supporting them so much, why not advice them to return 10,000 acres of land that he grabbed for Brahmani Steels? Jesus Christ killed YSR, otherwise, they would have grabbed all your village. Be happy, Jesus took him away.

    You dont even talk about my village even in your dreams.. Our village is much happier than before 5 years.. Its all becuase of YSR did for our village.

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  • I don't agree with your arguement. Spillover can happen in any quarter and you don't need to wait until the last quarter for it to happen. with EB1 and EB2 being current, the spillover into EB2 I and C will start from November/December of 2008 itself

    Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.

    But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
    One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.

    But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..

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  • I am following this discussion and it is interesting. Here is what I get so far.

    USCIS is not allotting excess visa number horizontally. Unused visas from Eb1 and EB2 are not going to over subscribed countries but to EB3 ROW. The "total" visas in the law can be read as total visa across all categories. If this is true then it is likely that untill EB3 ROW becomes current, India and China will only get 7%. But here is what I do not get.

    1) From november 2005 bulletin, USCIS is saying that they are going to suspend AC21. Why did they decide to suspend ac21? Can they decide on their own when they are going to apply to AC21 and when they are not? Is AC21 not a law?

    2) Why or how did USCIS allocate large number of visas to over subscribed countries India and China before? Like in the November bulletin, USCIS says india used up around 44000 visas. Were they allocating more visas by following AC21? If yes, then why did they decide to suspend AC21? If no, then how they allocated so many numbers?

    I am trying to understand the how the USCIS decides to allocate visa numbers. And it is very complex.

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  • Well it is a big deal for all Indians. I am not talking per se about SRK but as a fellow Indian. Does it take 2 hrs to ascertain his identity when he was here as a guest to the Indian Embassy as a Cultural Ambassador of India to participate in the Indian Independence Day Celebrations!!!

    Some of you raised excellent points like would the US Media keep quiet if a Hollywood star is treated out this kinda treatment in India or any country?

    Would it keep quiet if:

    1) Their ex-president is searched by an airline staff

    Our ex-president Shri Abdul Kalaam was searched by Continental

    2) Hollywood star is strip searched in a foreign country

    Amir Khan was strip searched in Toronto Airport

    3) Hollywood star is questioned about their nationality because they dont like American

    Neil Nitin Mukesh was questioned in 2008 whether he was Indian since he didn't have features.

    and many more incidents...

    - Rayoflight

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  • How does one check the comments left along with red and green dots?

    Why so much ruckus for SRK ?. After all he is a actor in India. So many actors are having connections with Dawood Ibrahim. So , nothing wrong for extra questioning.

    But Indian immigration will not do such things to foreign delegates. They treat them like gods.Everything will be bypassed.

    This is the difference between us and US

    Agreed. Makes sense.

    It seems like YSR was a very evil man. We must celebrate now that he has died.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Just as we celebrate Ravana's death with sweets and lights. Good riddance ... good for AP.

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