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  • I guess you are bummer !!!!

    Bummer is a word used to express disappointment.

    He was not name calling. It takes a while to pick up the slang but it sure helps you to assimilate better.

    And, if you were already familiar, before you go on a tirade on me, please hold your horses..

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  • Singing a country's national anthem and pledging allegiance to it are two different things. Scroll up and read my prev response.

    Pride yourself on being a citizen of the world as you do, in normal course you have to be a citizen of at least one country to be able to receive a passport and travel the same world.... :)

    As someone else pointed out, this thread is to appreciate the passion with which Pankaj sang the anthem. End of Story.


    I did not feel like signing along for two reasons: we are not US citizen yet, and I consider myself citizen of the world and will always be. I do not aspire to become citizen of the United States of America.

    Even when Americans sang their national anthem in a church, I felt not right. Churches are not supposed to be linked to states. There should be no country boundary within the Christian world.

    There should be no country boundary within the world we want to build either.

    By the way, if the United States go to war with your country of birth, who will you side with? Will the United States trust you?

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  • Thanks everyone for your responses.

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  • Immigration: 'Birth Tourism' Industry Markets U.S. Citizenship Abroad - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birth-tourism-industry-markets-us-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956&partner=yahoo)

    A New Baby Boom? Foreign 'Birth Tourists' Seek U.S. Citizenship for Children
    More Foreign Mothers Live Abroad to Give Birth on U.S. Soil, Debate Over 14th Amendment

    Millions of foreign tourists visit the United States every year, and a growing number return home with a brand new U.S. citizen in tow. housands of legal immigrants, who do not permanently reside in the United States but give birth here, have given their children the gift of citizenship, which the U.S. grants to anyone born on its soil.

    The number of U.S. births to non-resident mothers rose 53 percent between 2000 and 2006, according to the most recent data from the National Center for Health Statistics. Total births rose 5 percent in the same period.

    Among the foreigners who have given birth here, including international travelers passing through and foreign students studying at U.S. universities, are "birth tourists," women who travel to the United States with the explicit purpose of obtaining citizenship for their child.

    Catering to the women is a nascent industry of travel agencies and hotel chains seeking to profit from the business. The Marmara Manhattan, a Turkish-owned luxury hotel on New York's City Upper East Side, markets birth tourism packages to expectant mothers abroad, luring more than a dozen pregnant guests and their families to the United States to give birth last year alone.

    "What we offer is simply a one-bedroom suite accommodation for $7,750, plus taxes, for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the mother," Marmara Hotel spokeswoman Alexandra Ballantine said.

    The hotel estimates the total cost of the package at $45,000.

    Most women stay for two months, Ballantine said, and they make medical arrangements on their own. "Guests arrange and pay for these by themselves," she said of hospital costs that can approach $30,000.

    For those with the means to pay, it's a small price to give a child the full benefits of U.S. citizenship, including the ability to travel freely to and from the United States, easy access to a U.S. education and a chance to start a life here.

    "We found a company on the Internet and decided to go to Austin [Texas] for our child's birth," Turkish mother Selin Burcuoglu told Istanbul's Hurriyet Daily News. "I don't want [my daughter] to deal with visa issues. American citizenship has so many advantages."

    The greatest of those advantages may be the ability of the citizen child to later sponsor the legal immigration of his or her entire family permanently to this country, experts say.

    The "birth tourism" industry, which is difficult to track and remains largely anecdotal, has been on the rise for years, according to government and participants reports. Of the 4,273,225 live births in the United States in 2006, the most recent data gathered by the National Center for Health Statistics, 7,670 were children born to mothers who said they do not live here.

    Many, but not all, of those mothers could be "birth tourists," experts say, although it is difficult to know for sure. The government does not track the reasons non-resident mothers are in the United States at the time of the birth or their citizenship, meaning births to illegal immigrants who live in the United States are counted in the overall total.

    In recent years, many women have come from Mexico, South Korea, China and Taiwan, but the trend now extends to countries in Eastern Europe, such as Turkey, where as many as 12,000 children were born in the United States to Turkish parents since 2003 by one estimate.

    The business of birth tourism is perfectly legal as long as immigrants are able to pay their own way.

    The State Department and Department of Homeland Security have no specific regulations banning pregnant foreigners from entering the United States. But officials say they can and do turn away pregnant women with obvious designs on coming to the United States to take advantage of free medical care. "When determining if an individual will be allowed to enter the U.S., Customs and Border Protection officers take into consideration the date the child is due for delivery and the length of time the individual intends to stay in the U.S.," a Department of Homeland Security spokesman said.

    Still, critics say the practice largely goes unchecked and exploits the true meaning of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, enacted after the Civil War to grant citizenship to descendants of slaves.

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside," the amendment reads.

    "It's really an incorrect interpretation of the 14th Amendment," said Jerome Corsi, a conservative author and columnist who has studied the issue of birth tourism. "Birthright citizenship is a loophole � [and] as it expands into a business for entrepreneurs in foreign countries who offer birth tourism packages, it markets the loophole to attract additional mothers to the U.S."

    Lino Graglia of the University of Texas law school wrote in the Jan. 11 Texas Review of Law & Politics that the authors of the 14th Amendment never would have imagined their words bestowing citizenship to illegal or visiting immigrants.

    "It is difficult to imagine a more irrational and self-defeating legal system than one which makes unauthorized entry into this country a criminal offense and simultaneously provides perhaps the greatest possible inducement to illegal entry," Graglia wrote of birthright citizenship. The Supreme Court has only addressed the issue once, ruling in 1898 that citizenship applies to U.S.-born children of legal immigrants who have yet to become citizens.

    Some legislators, including U.S. Rep. Gary Miller, R-Calif., have called for revising the Constitution to forbid citizenship by birth alone and thereby end the attraction of birth tourists. But other politicos, from both sides of the aisle, say such an approach is politically unrealistic, not to mention unnecessary. "You just turn people down for being pregnant," said Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies. "That should be the default position and then there'd have to be some very good reason for an exception."

    Krikorian acknowledged that some people might find a ban on pregnant visitors "outrageous," but questions the rationality of the alternative.

    "Do you really think that's right that somebody here visiting Disneyland should have their children be U.S. citizens, which they'll then inevitably use to get access to the U.S.?" he asked.

    Krikorian and others call the offspring of birth tourists "anchor babies," because they can serve as a foothold for future legal immigration of an entire family.

    Ali Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, said he sees the debate about birth tourists in a different light, however, noting that arguments about citizenship of children ignore a fundamental question of humanity.

    "If we're a country that cares about families and family values, then why are we blaming the children for a decision the parents made. Their only decision was to take a first breath," he said.

    "What is the State Department going to do? To fill out a visa application have a woman pee on a stick?"

    The United States is one of the few remaining countries to grant citizenship to all children born on its soil. The United Kingdom, Ireland, India and Australia, among others, have since revised their birthright laws, no longer allowing every child born on their soil to get citizenship.

    This news is not only ridiculous but also looks down on people from other country and the writer lives in the illusion that the US is the greatest country in the world.

    People in other country have a life too (probably a better one) and I dont think any sane person will consider spending 15K to come to USA just to give birth and get the advantage of US citizenship. People in other countries are just like people in this country and any normal family will celebrate the birth of a kid and not worry about something as sickening as this.

    After all USA is a great country but it is not the ONLY great country. Every country has their share of advantages and disadvantages.

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  • Don't lose focus of what we are trying to do here. Let's not get caught in the hysteria of media exposure. Our cause is just and our demands are reasonable. They are demands that most Americans would sympathize with if they were properly informed. So, let's stay above board on this. Let's be the smart and educated bunch that we are and be saavy and articulate - This means laying our case to responsible and respectable members of the media and not rabid pundits and ideologues.

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  • I have infact created a new thread sometime back specifically for EAD and AP direct filing address details.


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  • Mine still shows August 2008. Though my case was approved, don't see any updates in the Texas online system. I am just waiting to see status of my wife's application..

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  • We received all four I-485 Transfer Notices today which says they transferred our cases to LIN. My I-140 was approved from LIN, so this is ok.

    But the strange thing is both the Receipt Date and the Notice Date is September 26, 2007. Should I be worried?:confused:

    I also applied EAD and AP. Would that means CSC is sill holding back my EAD and AP applications for adjudication?

    Thanks for the advise friends.

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  • TV25,

    1) You were in H4 at first when U came to this country.
    2) Then you were sponsored(H1) by some company.
    3) you worked for 3 months.
    4) went overseas to get stamped(visa) for H1. But they put you on hold for administrative process.
    5) You decided to return with H4 visa that was valid at that time. (although technically you are not supposed to enter using H4 since you already started working on H1)
    6) You came back to US on H4.
    7) Get a letter from USCIS that h1 is denied.

    What surprised me the whole time was, why did the consulate not cancel the existing H4 visa, since your status already changed?
    That's the first thing they do, when you go for visa stamping...they cancel without prejudice, and issue a new visa....even if its going thru a administrative process, they would still cancel it, cause the assumption is you are going to get the new visa once the process is complete.

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  • Thanks to all the gurus in IV ...last week I was also being abused with these so called repos and i brought it into everyons notice....i'm so happy to see u guys taking step against them despite of ur busy schedule. thanks once again.

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  • I-539 only allows you to change status between various non-immigrant categories. It seems that reentering the country on H4 is the only way (there may be some way to do this other than that but i am not aware of it.)

    If your H1 is valid, why even bother trying to change status in the US? Simply have wife come back on an H4 and all will be good, I am sorry i couldnt be of more help :(

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    As per Murthy's announcement AILA finally managed to get the required number of Plaintiffs by 2:45 PM today after noon.

    Still to be on the safe side shall we go ahead fill the PlainTiff form ??
    what if the lawsuit is not given " CLASS ACTION " status and only Plaintiff's are benefited ?

    Is there any potential advantage for AILA if they upgrade the status as CLASS ACTION - do they get any Money ??


    Its is always advisable to file the petition as AILA clearly stated that they are going to identify "class" of people. The court may or maynot give benefit for all classes .so better file and be in the "Best Class" where if AILA wins the case you will get benefited ,Dont be penny foolish as if you already spent money in getting other stuff ..what you are loosig in 1 grand for attorney fee , ( think of desi employers who gets 2 grands every month on you )

    Also with todays's rumor some thing positive is in pipeline ..even july VB flip-flop also started as a rumor

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  • Only God knows how CIS functions.


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  • The potential for misuse is too much. So I only support GC for someone with a PhD, even though I have a Masters.

    What a rationale you are using. So then "kids should not suffer" and then the answer is yes, go ahead and reward those who broke laws with an amnesty.Hey, I don't know if you have kids, just imagine you have 16 old kid, you are on H1 waiting for labor certification and visa number to be available. While waiting continues your kid turns 21. Are you ready to send him home?

    Because it doesn't have a good reason. Please don't waste your money.

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