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    Amitab bachan, hrithick, shah rukh..............

    If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?

    We can keep guessing but you know who is the right guy ,

    Abdul kalaam (can a president become a prime minister too again or something will limit him not to).

    Or deport bobby jindal there and make him india PM so that he can release statements about US from there :D:D:D

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  • As for the people who have benefited, there is something to be said about being in the right place at right time.......

    Curious as to how many of them will have negative feelings towards CIR, SKIL or H1B quota increase. I am sure the percentage will be high.

    Lots of big companies have made use of this labor substitution.

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  • To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .

    For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.

    Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.

    I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.

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  • I think we can make some very credible and good arguments for ourselves.

    a) The changing demographics require an increased level of immigration. It is upto this country to decide if it wants semi-skilled immigrants (Indian cooks and gardeners) and their siblings/parents, or high-skilled immigrants.

    Just read this in the morning.

    The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that in 2002 illegal alien households imposed costs of $26 billion on the federal government and paid $16 billion in federal taxes, creating an annual net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion at the federal level, or $2,700 per household.

    Among the largest costs, were Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison/court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

    If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, CIS estimates the annual net fiscal deficit would increase to $29 billion, or $7,700, per household.

    The primary reason illegal aliens create a fiscal deficit is that an estimated 60 percent lack a high school degree and another 20 percent have no education beyond high school. The fiscal drain is not due to their legal status or unwillingness to work.

    Illegal alines with little education are a significant fiscal drain, but less-educated immigrants who are legal residents are a much larger fiscal problem because they are eligible for many more programs.

    Many of the costs associated with illegal aliens are due to their US-born children who have American citizenship. Thus, barring illegal aliens themselves from federal programs will have little impact on costs.

    Focusing just on Social Security and Medicare, CIS estimates that illegal households create a combined net benefit for these two programs in excess of $7 billion a year. However, they create a net deficit of $17 billion in the rest of the budget, for a total net federal cost of $10 billion.

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    The Insightful Immigration Blog � Commentaries on Immigration Policy, Cases and Trends: NEW USCIS MEMO ON EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP FOR H-1B PETITIONS: IS IT A WAY TO KEEP CERTAIN WORKERS OUT? (

    I feel IV can join hands with AILA on this to help us in this situation.

    Any new renewals or new H1 filings are bound to be denied unless its a direct employer vs employee relationship. Third party placement indications are bound to be targeted for denial!

    We are literaly doomed. Given the slugglishness of the GC process this is bound to cripple us down.

    I am feeling sad for those H1B guys who were deported out of Newark thanks to these crooked laws. The laws may be right in their perspective, but they do not understand the havoc it would have created in the lives of those who felt the impact.

    I wish and pray for the good of all and those GC/H1B aspirants during these troubled times now and up ahead.

    Thanks for the post. I have also expressed my opinion in Mr Mehta's blog who was courageous enough to spell out in clear terms the discriminatory practices of USCIS. We should in no uncertain terms, pull down the mask that USCIS is wearing while practicing pure discrimination and segregation - that is completely alien to the American constitution and society.

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  • I'm not sure that your numbers add up. There's no guarantee that anybody would receive a green card before their 90 or 180 day I-94 expires. Leaving the US and reentering to remain in status then runs the risk of putting immigration application in danger. In reality - PERM takes a couple of months to complete with advertising, interviewing, preparing documents and filing. The I-140/485 process takes another 6-8 months assuming that there are no RFEs and your case is processed in the faster service centers. This timescale only works for ROW applicants if they meet the EB-2 standard. This is not an easy standard to meet for many people who have worked at the same employer for a number of years.

    On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...

    This is how the law works:

    To file I-485; one has to be admissable and in non immigrant status(not subject to J-1 requirements, no major medical issues, no serious criminal issue). If there is a labor and priority date is current then you go straight to 140/485.

    many times a company may have already filed a labor for you before you even get into USA.

    There is protection of 245k which basically gives a buffer of 6 months. Essentially; one can file a 485 if they were out of status; worked without authorization or were in non immigrant status within six months of filing 485.

    So what this means is if your I-94 card expires in March 31, 2007; you have protection to file 485 until about September 30, 2007. There is more then enough time to be able to file the 485. The big hiccup happens if the priority date moves backwards and you can't file the 485.

    Last year there were a few people who had posted on who had their 485's retruned by uscis. They came on visitor visa and labor approved but filed in eb3. Their stupid lawyers didn't realize the dates were retrogressed or when they started the process there was word of law change and they figured that by the time labor cleared; the visa dates would be current.

    I wouldn't fight this much; it is well established that people do this and it goes on. This is one of the reasons why I was pretty much against filing 485 without priority date being current. There would be a mass flood of people who would file. People who currently file in political asylum or get married to us citizens or people who have family sponsorship and are waiting visa dates would all flip over to employment base and would cause millions of applications with never ending retrogression. it would have pretty much been a disaster.

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  • This analysis is really excellent, how far do you foresee the EB2-I date going this year. Is there any hope for new people to file 485 this year? People who missed Jul 07 have waited long and can wait till next Sep in the hope that we will be able to file 485 this year.

    Spill will be around 30k for Eb2 and that will clear till mid 2006. by Sep 2010. In Sep 2011 you should be able to file for 485.

    there is no law that says to move date to accept new applications. If DOS makes date current and people have all data visible now will take USCIS to court for not approving cases. What I have learnt that USCIS is considering publishing rule ( Via Rule making process ) in dec 2009 to halt concurrent filling for I 140 and 485 and give chance to pre register for 485. so in Spiring of 2010 we may be able to pre file 485. which may / may not give benefit of AC 21 . EAD is always admin job so they can give out EAD and AP along with pre filling.

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  • I just look at this pool and surprised that Advani is running so hot in the pool. I am from Gujarat and I can tell that advani will be worst as PM. when given a Chance in BJP ministry he had worst performance as Home minister. I think he had not managed anything in his life and after his rise in BJP, BJP lost his charm.

    I think some one with good management skill like MMohan, MODI, Chidambaram etc are lot more sutiabel than Advani.

    Advani should retire from politics before even Bajpai. Even lalu will be better as PM than Advani looking to how advani managed Home Ministry and how Lalu Managed Railway.

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    Use the tooltip.

    Hover the mouse over the red dot and see the comment pop-up as a tool-tip.

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    I am wondering if they will be eligible for exemption too. I am sure some of us have already taken the risky plunge and bought a house.

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  • nope. The august bulletin which gets released mid july didn't get into our arguements at all. We were specifially talking about july filers and july month.

    Yes, i agree that if August bulletin retrogresses than that affects only august filers and not the people eligible to file in july.
    my attorney also said same thing..

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  • We are thinking about applying for canadian PR. Should we include our son (US citizen) in the application? or do US citizens get to reside in Canada without visa?
    Also, currently my company is processing my GC, will this be affected if we apply for canadian PR?

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  • ...actually makes sense...


    When an argument is held in the Supreme Court you often hear the justices asking "What if" type questions, some of them verge on being narrow circumstances, but to declare something unconstitutional can have a wide impact and is a fundamental, so it should account for odd circumstances too.

    So here goes a potential set of arguments:

    Q> What if the Congress was unable to discriminate in other categories of immigration based on nation of birth? Would that mean that in time of war, immigrants would have to be admitted from a country with whom we were at war?

    Q> Would Congress no longer be permitted to try to balance the ethnic makeup of the country?

    I agree it is unfair on individuals, on groups, and it does smell, but I doubt that it is unconstitutional. I take the pragmatic view in my prior post on this thread (many posts back).

    Extending my pragmatic view:

    Even if it were found to be unconstitutional, then Congress can always amend the constitution, and if a Supreme Court ruling affected more than just EB category, then I would not be surprised to see an amendment. Then the only advantage would be to draw attention to the issue. But you know that the anti's would just make the argument --- "Look the evil immigrants are trying to write our immigration policy", and that would be an easy argument to make so then we would see something more restrictive in the end.

    So even if we won, we would likely loss.

    Just being pragmatic.

    (I'm not a lawyer - and my H1B enforces this)

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  • Before AC21, the spill over goes vertically.
    After AC21, the spill over should go horizontally. But it is not going so. There is something going behind the screen. There is some reason for DOS is doing so. The law is not gray in this respect. It can be easily litigated, if they issued less than 40,000 EB2 visas and more than 40,000 EB3 visas. Nov 2005 VB is not a law. It is a statement by DOS. The law is section 202 of INA.

    In both cases (before and after AC21) allocation of unused visas should go in a last month of calnder quarter. Both sec 202 3 a and 202 a 5 says "in a calender quarter" ..

    Before AC21

    3) Exception if additional visas available. - If because of the application of paragraph (2) with respect to one or more foreign states or dependent areas, the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) of section 203 for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who otherwise may be issued such a visa, paragraph (2) shall not apply to visas made available to such states or areas during the remainder of such calendar quarter.

    After AC21..

    (A) EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANTS NOT SUBJECT TO PER COUNTRY LIMITATION IF ADDITIONAL VISAS AVAILABLE- If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 203(b) for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter.

    Now ROW experts, post your comment for this hypothitical example ..

    Lets assume there are 100 unused visas in EB2 catagory in a calender quarter. Worldwide EB damand is more than 140,000. Now, how will you assisn those numbers if it is before AC21 period and if it is after AC21 period.

    If you say in both cases it goes to EB3-ROW, then we are not stupid to listien.

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  • Hi All,
    I am starting a new thread to clarify a roumour I heard that begining August 2006 the labour substitution is not possible. Can anyone confirm this please.


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  • Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.


    I don't understand why we are doing this debate. Dilip (citizen's representative - dilipcr) feels that living standard is going down coz of H1 & L1 people and not because of 2 wars we are fighting. He needs help. You can do it by not answering him.

    PLEASE STOP! posted country wise EB visa allocation for the year of 2005. For example, Nepal used only 70 EB3 visas. Whereas country limit is 7%. In that case how EB3 Nepal is retrogressed?

    Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
    In that case, let's hire an attorney.

    There is no such thing as EB3 Nepal, which I'm sure you know. In EB3 ROW, this includes everyone else. I'm sure there are some significant numbers from the UK, Germany, Australian (although they might be separate under E3... not sure), Japan, Tawian.... etc etc the list goes on.

    EB3 ROW doesn't just mean those from tiny countries with tiny populations

    I am willing to contribute $10 to get solid legal advice on this and I am willing to contribute a lot more in a lawsuit IF and ONLY IF there is a strong legal basis for it.

    I appreciate IV for its efforts. Happy V'Day.
    I will contribute for legal advice if some leaders for this initiative steps forward with firm commitment. It may sound silly to put conditions like this. But if such a big movement is here in making all of us excited about the prospect of having a law suit, then it is a responsibility of those who initiated this thread to lead this effort forward.

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