Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
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Here is my $.02 (or maybe 200 cents)
I am here since 2001 and my family joined me in 2002. I came here at a fairly grown up age and the reason for coming here is mainly for a better life for my family. I don't make enough money to be able to send and invest in India. In fact I was sent money (more than $10K) a few times from back home.
But I do make enough money here to be able to live in a good house and have a couple of cars. In India I couldn't have dreamed of a second car (I did have a car in India) and it would have been impossible for my kids to have a car when they are 16. I know for sure I have secured the future of my kids better here in the US than what it could have been for them in India. We are educated people and we keep reading about the successes of the Ambani Borthers, Rahul Gandhi and others. Our family with average IQs and wealth can only read the news but can never have a chance to have a go and succeed like those BIG WIGS in India. Here in the US, we definitely have a chance, to become at least a millionaire before we retire. As for my kids, they could be rich at a much younger age.
My PD is Oct. 2003 EB2 India (filed everything in June 2007) and I have sustained the wait for 4 years and I am willing to take on the stress for may be one more year for my family by which time we all should have our GCs. Moving to Canada? - I would rather start my own consulting company in Canada and go there once in a while (preferably in the summer) to enjoy the weather and to take care of my business.
Sincerely - IE
You are right. A lot of us came here for a better life. And yes it is a better life. I think Canada is a good option, but it is a lot harder to uproot and move, when you are sooo settled in the US.
Thanks for sharing your story.
Here is my $.02 (or maybe 200 cents)
I am here since 2001 and my family joined me in 2002. I came here at a fairly grown up age and the reason for coming here is mainly for a better life for my family. I don't make enough money to be able to send and invest in India. In fact I was sent money (more than $10K) a few times from back home.
But I do make enough money here to be able to live in a good house and have a couple of cars. In India I couldn't have dreamed of a second car (I did have a car in India) and it would have been impossible for my kids to have a car when they are 16. I know for sure I have secured the future of my kids better here in the US than what it could have been for them in India. We are educated people and we keep reading about the successes of the Ambani Borthers, Rahul Gandhi and others. Our family with average IQs and wealth can only read the news but can never have a chance to have a go and succeed like those BIG WIGS in India. Here in the US, we definitely have a chance, to become at least a millionaire before we retire. As for my kids, they could be rich at a much younger age.
My PD is Oct. 2003 EB2 India (filed everything in June 2007) and I have sustained the wait for 4 years and I am willing to take on the stress for may be one more year for my family by which time we all should have our GCs. Moving to Canada? - I would rather start my own consulting company in Canada and go there once in a while (preferably in the summer) to enjoy the weather and to take care of my business.
Sincerely - IE
You are right. A lot of us came here for a better life. And yes it is a better life. I think Canada is a good option, but it is a lot harder to uproot and move, when you are sooo settled in the US.
Thanks for sharing your story.
or let me be the president of usa if i buy 10 houses.
Jokes apart.. i think nixtor's idea is worth pursuing.
why not ask for citizenship if we buy 2 houses?. I will even buy that toxic debt from banks, if i get citizenship and a gori.
Jokes apart.. i think nixtor's idea is worth pursuing.
why not ask for citizenship if we buy 2 houses?. I will even buy that toxic debt from banks, if i get citizenship and a gori.
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There is a link to file I REPORT ON CNN
I have filed one
http://www.cnn.com/exchange/
I have filed one
http://www.cnn.com/exchange/
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EB2 India is screwed again. My wait continues.................
Seeing Sep 2008 bulletin I felt happy:). I presume in October 2008 bulletin the EB2 India/china Priority dates go back. But its a mild retrogression for a short span of time. After that the dates start catching up current again. EB2 India becoming current is inevitable.
We need a legilation change for any considerable movement in EB3 India. I am presuming in the next two years there will be considerable changes in EB category immigration which directly relief EB3 India.
mpadapa has given almost exact count on EB limit for 2008.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265989&postcount=90
The Earliest Time the Dates for EB2 "might" move up again would be the February Visa Bulletin'09 as USCIS and DOS would Need atleast the 1st Quarter Data(Oct- Dec) to see the Visa Demand for the ROW Category in order for the Horizontal Spillover to India/China.
Do you Agree Mr.Rao?
We need a legilation change for any considerable movement in EB3 India. I am presuming in the next two years there will be considerable changes in EB category immigration which directly relief EB3 India.
mpadapa has given almost exact count on EB limit for 2008.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265989&postcount=90
The Earliest Time the Dates for EB2 "might" move up again would be the February Visa Bulletin'09 as USCIS and DOS would Need atleast the 1st Quarter Data(Oct- Dec) to see the Visa Demand for the ROW Category in order for the Horizontal Spillover to India/China.
Do you Agree Mr.Rao?
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Why so much ruckus for SRK ?. After all he is a actor in India. So many actors are having connections with Dawood Ibrahim. So , nothing wrong for extra questioning.
But Indian immigration will not do such things to foreign delegates. They treat them like gods.Everything will be bypassed.
This is the difference between us and US
But Indian immigration will not do such things to foreign delegates. They treat them like gods.Everything will be bypassed.
This is the difference between us and US
I support this and sent emails yesterday.
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Indians are masters in creating unnecessary ourage. Look what a big deal the Indian media made of students being attacked in Australia. Indians declared Australia as a racist country and they branded Britain also as racist when Shilpa Shetty episode took place. Now also they are making a non-issue as a big deal. It seems that Indians thinking is buillt around that all the world is racist and biased toward India. But, when it comes to showing ourage to genuine issues they are always silent. So many horrible things happen to millions of Indians everyday but no body cares about them. Also, when chinese think tank published a report last week about breaking India in many states, there was no outrage. As compared to this news SRK news is nothing. The reason is simple chinese will shut Indians out because they know what works while dealing with Indians.
Travind I am not close to the family anymore I made the dude so uncomfortable he stopped calling me. Here are some avoidance techniques, but you need to be ballsy to pull them of and never exceed the limits of decency and you must have a sense of timing and humor to do these. I have used these techniques myself for avoidance
1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc
2) Make lots of sticky notes with their quotes in the meetings and stick it on their walls
3)Break your pencil or pen at the meeting and loudly say cuss words like "shit that is good"
4) Itch nervously when they approach you in any location they will leave you thinking you have some skin disease.
5) Cough without closing your mouth directly in front of their face
6) Wear ghetto clothes when you go to the usual locations they avoid you like the plague (sorry guys who wear kurta with jeans and leather chappals you are the most obvious target)
7) Borrow cd's, dvd's etc and never return them or their calls they are bound to be nice since even in the worst case they are still trying to sell to you.
There are more things to do but i'm guessing some other people will post their experiences , just one word of caution do not extend your torture because these people are human beings who have been proselytized by their diamonds etc that they dont realize and don't worry they will not learn from you.
It is really funny man. I love the points 1, 4,5 & 6. If anything else doesn't bother one, point 1 definitely should. If not, everyone knows what to call that person!!!
1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc
2) Make lots of sticky notes with their quotes in the meetings and stick it on their walls
3)Break your pencil or pen at the meeting and loudly say cuss words like "shit that is good"
4) Itch nervously when they approach you in any location they will leave you thinking you have some skin disease.
5) Cough without closing your mouth directly in front of their face
6) Wear ghetto clothes when you go to the usual locations they avoid you like the plague (sorry guys who wear kurta with jeans and leather chappals you are the most obvious target)
7) Borrow cd's, dvd's etc and never return them or their calls they are bound to be nice since even in the worst case they are still trying to sell to you.
There are more things to do but i'm guessing some other people will post their experiences , just one word of caution do not extend your torture because these people are human beings who have been proselytized by their diamonds etc that they dont realize and don't worry they will not learn from you.
It is really funny man. I love the points 1, 4,5 & 6. If anything else doesn't bother one, point 1 definitely should. If not, everyone knows what to call that person!!!
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Just a few...
Sellapan Ramanathan - President of Singapore
Sir Veerasamy Ringadoo, ex-President of Mauritius
Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay - ex-Chief Justice of Mauritius
Angidi Verriah Chettiar - ex-Vice President of Mauritius
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar - Nobel Laureate and University of Chicago professor.
Navanethem Pillay - United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (originally from South Africa.)
James Appathurai -NATO Spokesman (from canada)
Lakshmi Sahgal - Freedom fighter settled in Kanpur
Tun V.T. Sambanthan - One of the founding father of modern Malaysia
S Jayakumar, Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Minister of Education, Singapore.
Vivian Balakrishnan, Minister in, Singapore.
S Rajaratnam, ex-Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
S Dhanabalan, ex-Minister, Singapore.
Radhakrishna Padayachi, Minister in Republic of South Africa.
Gunasagaran Gounder, Fiji politician
Perumal Mupnar, Fiji politician
Aruna Roy - head of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana, Rajastan
R. K. Laxman & R. K. Narayan, lived in Karnataka
I did not include Sri Lankan Tamil politicians or sports persons.
I can go on and on...
Again, do some research before commenting
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tamil_people
@venetian:
I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.
@jerrome:
Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?
There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?
Sellapan Ramanathan - President of Singapore
Sir Veerasamy Ringadoo, ex-President of Mauritius
Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay - ex-Chief Justice of Mauritius
Angidi Verriah Chettiar - ex-Vice President of Mauritius
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar - Nobel Laureate and University of Chicago professor.
Navanethem Pillay - United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (originally from South Africa.)
James Appathurai -NATO Spokesman (from canada)
Lakshmi Sahgal - Freedom fighter settled in Kanpur
Tun V.T. Sambanthan - One of the founding father of modern Malaysia
S Jayakumar, Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Minister of Education, Singapore.
Vivian Balakrishnan, Minister in, Singapore.
S Rajaratnam, ex-Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
S Dhanabalan, ex-Minister, Singapore.
Radhakrishna Padayachi, Minister in Republic of South Africa.
Gunasagaran Gounder, Fiji politician
Perumal Mupnar, Fiji politician
Aruna Roy - head of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana, Rajastan
R. K. Laxman & R. K. Narayan, lived in Karnataka
I did not include Sri Lankan Tamil politicians or sports persons.
I can go on and on...
Again, do some research before commenting
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tamil_people
@venetian:
I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.
@jerrome:
Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?
There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?
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We applied for Canadian immigration through Buffalo, NY in December 2005. I got a letter later in February 2006 stating that the principal applicant (me) must take IELTS. Yes, I sent all the experience letters and a letter of explanation that I have enough English proficiency having stayed in the US for about 11 years, with two bachelor's degrees from a US university, many years of experience, blah-blah-blah. Apparently, that was not enough. So, you better plan on taking IELTS. :)
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Ron gotcher says dates will go back yesteryears:
"Most likely, India E2 will retrogress in October back to late 2002 or early 2003. Don't count on rapid forward movement in the future."
He says he got this from DOS.
What abt this?
PS: I am just asking not arguing.
"Most likely, India E2 will retrogress in October back to late 2002 or early 2003. Don't count on rapid forward movement in the future."
He says he got this from DOS.
What abt this?
PS: I am just asking not arguing.
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If most members are opposing the memo that is fine for me. I will take neutral Stand. Anyhow best wishes for winning the lawsuit if you file and win
I am not sure if this snram4 is sadist or outright idiot. On more than one occaction couple of guys spit on his face and still he is not bothering and enjoying that. Reponding to his thread is simply waste of time. I dont know if there is a special category for GC and thats what he got.
I am simply amazed how stupiid he is. When this thread started there were couple of people supporting this memo. Once they understood no longer they are supporting. Snram4 is the only guy still supporting and talking all nonsense. I tried to educate him but failed miserably.
snram4...whatever may be the case whether people are going for law suit or not, You are not going to add any value with your pea nut size brain. Why dont you simply go away rather than talking all nonsense and wasting everyone's time. No one is bothering you or stupid comments. So many people asked you to go away...why dont you consider that for GOD shake.
I am not sure if this snram4 is sadist or outright idiot. On more than one occaction couple of guys spit on his face and still he is not bothering and enjoying that. Reponding to his thread is simply waste of time. I dont know if there is a special category for GC and thats what he got.
I am simply amazed how stupiid he is. When this thread started there were couple of people supporting this memo. Once they understood no longer they are supporting. Snram4 is the only guy still supporting and talking all nonsense. I tried to educate him but failed miserably.
snram4...whatever may be the case whether people are going for law suit or not, You are not going to add any value with your pea nut size brain. Why dont you simply go away rather than talking all nonsense and wasting everyone's time. No one is bothering you or stupid comments. So many people asked you to go away...why dont you consider that for GOD shake.
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Its because there are mute spectators who are giving greens or red based on what they think is right
I don't believe I CHANHUV23 & _Truefacts are the same
With all the due respect. Can you tell me how on earth can someone without Admin access reveal someone's personal details???? Pls read all previous posts.
I don't believe I CHANHUV23 & _Truefacts are the same
With all the due respect. Can you tell me how on earth can someone without Admin access reveal someone's personal details???? Pls read all previous posts.
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Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
Are you a independent "business" owner ?
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
Are you a independent "business" owner ?
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I am doing an employer change - HtoH transfer.
Do I have to wait for the H1 transfer approval or is the receipt good
enough for me to travel abroad? Do I have to get my new H1 stamped
before reentering? I still have the dates on my old h1 (from AMD)
valid on the stamping on my passport - will this suffice? Please
explain.
Also my Advanced Parole is on its way. Will I be able to travel on EAD
and AP, when my H1 transfer is being filed? Can I still hold on to my
H1 status, if I traveled using my AP?
Regards,
Suhanya.
Do I have to wait for the H1 transfer approval or is the receipt good
enough for me to travel abroad? Do I have to get my new H1 stamped
before reentering? I still have the dates on my old h1 (from AMD)
valid on the stamping on my passport - will this suffice? Please
explain.
Also my Advanced Parole is on its way. Will I be able to travel on EAD
and AP, when my H1 transfer is being filed? Can I still hold on to my
H1 status, if I traveled using my AP?
Regards,
Suhanya.
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Dilip,
I can Understand your frustration in this matter. Before blaming on the H1B Quota, we need to think of the grand schema in which this happens. USA is now well known as the only superpowerin this world. Lets take the example of the super-powers in history, Rome and Britain. As Ravi Batra in one of his books said,both of them had some common factors being a super power
1) Military Power: Both these empires had the best Military in the world. They could use the military to make many of their provinces and colonies to accept their terms in doing business
2) Both Rome and Britain used to run on trade deficits. This is because, every other countries( or colonies) were producing goods just to be sold in these empires. Their currency was the most sought after one and powerful elites wanted to hoard as much as they can.Since everybody were having so much currency, they didnt want the super-powers currency to decline in Value( which they reinvested in rome or britain to get more)
3) Cheap Labour:Rome used Slaves to control the commodity price. The living standards of Romans were the best and people even voluntarly enrolled as slaves just to get a roman citizenship after some years.The wage of common people on Rome or Britain never rose, but so did the price of commodities. Britain didnt use slaves, but used the people from its colonies to do the work.Most of them did this voluntarily for a better pay. They used highly-skilled as well as unskilled workers from their colony with less wage to keep the price of commodity stable and cheap .They even enrolled these people to their military to fight wars.
4) Spreading of culture and language to its colonies: Youth were attracted to their culture and it was easy to spread.Elites in these countries liked it and used to send gifts to the ruling guys. Elites were able to create more jobs , to produce more goods and services for the superpowers and that kept the ruling elites to be accepted,for some posts, re-elected and even workshipped by common man.
These are the common character of an economic(military in case of rome and britain) super power. So if me or you or anyone among us fight against this cheap labour concept, we are not going to win. Its a character of this market and will continue
I can Understand your frustration in this matter. Before blaming on the H1B Quota, we need to think of the grand schema in which this happens. USA is now well known as the only superpowerin this world. Lets take the example of the super-powers in history, Rome and Britain. As Ravi Batra in one of his books said,both of them had some common factors being a super power
1) Military Power: Both these empires had the best Military in the world. They could use the military to make many of their provinces and colonies to accept their terms in doing business
2) Both Rome and Britain used to run on trade deficits. This is because, every other countries( or colonies) were producing goods just to be sold in these empires. Their currency was the most sought after one and powerful elites wanted to hoard as much as they can.Since everybody were having so much currency, they didnt want the super-powers currency to decline in Value( which they reinvested in rome or britain to get more)
3) Cheap Labour:Rome used Slaves to control the commodity price. The living standards of Romans were the best and people even voluntarly enrolled as slaves just to get a roman citizenship after some years.The wage of common people on Rome or Britain never rose, but so did the price of commodities. Britain didnt use slaves, but used the people from its colonies to do the work.Most of them did this voluntarily for a better pay. They used highly-skilled as well as unskilled workers from their colony with less wage to keep the price of commodity stable and cheap .They even enrolled these people to their military to fight wars.
4) Spreading of culture and language to its colonies: Youth were attracted to their culture and it was easy to spread.Elites in these countries liked it and used to send gifts to the ruling guys. Elites were able to create more jobs , to produce more goods and services for the superpowers and that kept the ruling elites to be accepted,for some posts, re-elected and even workshipped by common man.
These are the common character of an economic(military in case of rome and britain) super power. So if me or you or anyone among us fight against this cheap labour concept, we are not going to win. Its a character of this market and will continue
I like this idea. And will support it. ANd write the E-mail
Like I said, after AILA's memo came out yesterday, all the lawyers who were saying "it wont happen" have suddenly flipped and now they are saying "Anything can happen".
Sometimes I wonder what are we paying them for if we have to send them URL from AILA about various memos and directives? Isnt it a part of job description to keep an eye out on what's going on at USCIS ? It is available on websites for the whole world to see after all. I wonder how efficient these lawyers were when Internet didnt exist and everything was thru phones and postal services.
And ever since the dates got current for the whole world in July, lawyers are snapping back when you email/call them as if its our fault that dates suddenly became current for the whole world ? If its too much burden, then maybe its time to look for some other profession. No one is putting a gun on your head saying : "Be an immigration lawyer".
It is all about job stability and ego. They can act ignorant and slow and trap their clients in this perpetual state of anxiety. That is what their strategy is all about.
If we (highly skilled and informed) suffer so much at their hands, imagine the plight of millions of undocumented immigrants who are at their mercy.
Sometimes I wonder what are we paying them for if we have to send them URL from AILA about various memos and directives? Isnt it a part of job description to keep an eye out on what's going on at USCIS ? It is available on websites for the whole world to see after all. I wonder how efficient these lawyers were when Internet didnt exist and everything was thru phones and postal services.
And ever since the dates got current for the whole world in July, lawyers are snapping back when you email/call them as if its our fault that dates suddenly became current for the whole world ? If its too much burden, then maybe its time to look for some other profession. No one is putting a gun on your head saying : "Be an immigration lawyer".
It is all about job stability and ego. They can act ignorant and slow and trap their clients in this perpetual state of anxiety. That is what their strategy is all about.
If we (highly skilled and informed) suffer so much at their hands, imagine the plight of millions of undocumented immigrants who are at their mercy.
