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  • It is really simple.....

    Vertical Spillover

    EB2 (IN) ~ 12000 / year
    EB3 (IN) ~ 18000 / year

    Horizontal Spillover

    EB2 (IN) > 18000 / year
    EB3 (IN) < 12000 / year

    On another note.

    There is possibly an ongoing effort by some powerful people to compel "attrition by frustration" among all prospective immigrants. This Xenophobic philosophy will last till Jan2009, it will then subside.

    It is just like high oil prices - make hay while........

    Have faith in America, history shows it rights itself sooner rather than later.

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  • Mr. Janak,
    Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
    Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]

    Very well said Subst_labor. People like Janak are simply jealous that you had the offer. People like him always will think that you are cheating the system or something like that just because a company offered you a labor substitution. I think that one should not judge such cases, and I am actually happy for all of those who are fortunate enough to receive their green cards sooner because of third factors. Good luck with your Labor subst. I hope the company is OK.


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  • In my opinion MMS may be a nice person and may be a good economist, but it wasn't him who was running the govt. and it will not be him if he comes back again. It is a very common practice in India, a chemist will run a chemist shop but the License is in somebody else's name. Here also same thing happened, you saw Manmohan Singh on PM's chair, but it was somebody else who was running the show, and it is deception & dishonesty to your voters. I always see a "Culprit" in his eyes, which is either hiding something or is guilty. Observe him on TV, he's mostly not making too much eye contact, he know he is guilty of deception....
    He also headed one of the most corrupt & criminal cabinets in the history of India. People like Taslimuddin, Shibu Soren , Jagdish Tytler, Lalu had several criminal cases against them. On the contary you may not personally Like LK Advani, It's not just him who's going to rule the country if he comes to power. It'll be the whole cabinet, most what was during Vajpayee govt. which was much cleaner & much more agressive on developmental issues, they worked on certain agendas, lot of places where you see growth, were actually the good work done by the NDA govt. You may praise Laloo for all the Railway turn around, but the reality is the foundation was layed by then Railway Minister "Nitish Kumar", AI/AI became profitable under "Rajiv Pratap Rudy" . There were people like "Suresh Prabhu", "Yashwant Sinha", "Arun Shourie", all of them did tremendous Jobs in their cabinet. Yes...only that puupet brought those changes and reforms. I dont have any issues for Mr. Advani, but please show me some track record as he was part of the ruling party for five years.

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  • Interesting statistics posted on Ron Gotcher forum

    Credit to Nolefan

    Hello Ron,
    I have been silent spectator for long and I greatly enjoy reading this blog. The knowledge you bring is great. The blog is very informative & insightful and has given us lots of useful information. I have been thinking of contributing to this blog for sometime related to Pending visa number and spillover topic and this is my first post regarding that.

    Recently, I did some calculations on EB1 & EB spillover to EB2 India/China for FY 2010. Here are points I considered

    * Average Consular processing numbers for EB1 & EB2 / year are based on historic data from 1998 to 2008. (Data is available on DHS site)
    * All ROW EB1 & EB2 applications from following categories will be approved before spill over happens
    o consular processing (EB1 & EB2)
    o ROW (EB1 & EB2) + Mexico + Philippines
    * most applications for India / China EB2 from 2004 and prior are approved except few as mentioned on CIS report.
    * Even if there are EB2 ROW I140 applications are pending, they may not be more than few thousands (based historic EB2 usage from EB2 ROW). Based on economic conditions, I assumed 5000 new I485 applications after approval of I140.


    EB1 spill over

    Total quota allowed: 40040
    Average consular processing: 5290
    AOS Pending: 4050
    New applications: 2500
    spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 5290 � 4050 � 2500
    spill over from EB1~ 28500

    EB2 spill over

    Total quota allowed: 40040
    Average consular processing: 2199
    AOS Pending (ROW): 7871
    New applications: 2500
    spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 2199 � 7871 � 2500
    spill over from EB1~ 27470

    Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 28500 + 27470

    Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 55970

    EB4 spill over
    Total quota allowed: 9800
    Average visa numbers used: 7432�� based on data from 1998 to 2008
    spill over = 2368

    EB5 spill over
    Total quota allowed: 9800
    Average visa numbers used: 465 �� based on data from 1998 to 2008
    2008 data: 1360
    spill over : 8440

    Total spill over for EB2 India / China: spill over from (EB1 + EB2 + EB3 + EB4)

    i.e. 28500 + 27470 + 2368 + 8440 ..

    Total spill over for EB2 India / China: 66778

    Preadjudicated EB2 India / China applications ~ 51000

    Total pending EB2 India / China ~ 67061

    If spill over occurs quarterly, then I would expect EB2 India / China dates should faster throughout year may be current by end of FY 2010.

    Too good to believe..I hope it would go correct:D
    And one more PRO factor is that EB1 are under high scruitny so less EB1s so high spillovers than ever before..

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  • Nixstor,

    Thanks for the brilliant idea, but I have a question about the draft. Is it really necessary to mention that 20% downpayment clause in there? I am a non-IT (manufacturing) EB3 applicant making half the salary you mentioned in the draft, and I bought a house with a 3% downpayment on a FHA loan. However, I have an excellent credit and I don't foresee myself in a foreclosure situation in the near future. I dont know if there are many GC applicant with my profile, but aren't we helping the housing market by buying a house?

    Anyway, I will support every initiative that has the remotest possibility to remove one person in line ahead of me.

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  • unless someone has some concrete information to convince me otherwise.

    the visa lottery has not been discontinued, CIR 2007 would have done that- if it had seen the light of day. dems will never let it go if they control things. pubs hate it on the other hand..

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  • Watch and see how fast the Michigan government will start issuing DL to H1B holders and to those who has pending I-485.

    If you believe in it, stay put - gather support. Work towards legal opinion. Not sure if IV core endorses it, but use the forum to get support.

    Those who are interested must consider forming a mailing list and create a group.

    Many people just take the poll, and run away if approached. Let everyone participate wholeheartedly.

    IV wants all members to help in the Admin fix - "Letter to the President" campaign and it is very essential we follow peaceful methods. Please help make this campaign successful.

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  • This is the monthwise total for Only PERM for India for year 2005 and 2006.

    Month EB (INDIA) # Approved
    Jan,05 0
    Feb,05 0
    Mar,05 1
    Apr,05 24
    May,05 133
    June,05 535
    July,05 794
    Aug,05 1313
    Sep,05 1316
    Oct,05 1212
    Nov,05 1541
    Dec,05 1771
    Jan,06 1788
    Feb,06 1729
    Mar,06 2224
    Apr,06 1635
    May,06 1876
    June,06 1902
    July,06 1574
    Aug,06 1317
    Sep,06 963

    PERM 2005 (All EB2+EB3) for India is 8640
    PERM upto Sep 2006 (2+3) for india is 15008

    So the movement depends on the spillover to EB2 india. I assume if it is in the range of 15 to 20K then it will move upto mid of 2006 by end of 2010 for sure.

    If the spill over is in the range > 20K to EB2 india then it will go to September 2006.

    Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
    2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
    2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
    2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
    2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
    2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
    2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
    2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
    2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
    2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
    Total 720483 526522 55419 252517

    In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
    In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.

    The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.

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  • mc,

    this guy is pulling u'r chains..... its not she.... its a he.....

    u know who this guy is? surprise surprise ....... gcperm is back.... as plainspeak....

    hey gcperm aka plainspeak..... long time.... where've u been? i missed u :rolleyes:
    Ron Hira my friend you are on an immigration forum and you have an Anti Immigrant login id. Now what could be funnier than that Ha Ha...

    As to me being a guy phasshhhhhh i am all female

    And i am laughing in my pants seeing you confuse me with GCPerm. I remeber seeing that name on IV before. Was he an EB3 who was kicked out by you guys ?

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  • For all those who are stating that filing in EB1 should not matter, please withdraw your application and let other people in line move ahead. Give me 1 simple reason, why should we not raise this issue. In hindi, there s an old saying "boondh boond karge ghara bartha hain"....

    I will request all of you to send letters to USCIS to raise this issue and lets have a close scrutiny of all EB1 applicants received/filed....I understand that this is not the solution but i am pi***** at people using loopholes all the time.....

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  • I hope this is not our last ditch effort or one of the last chips in our possession to further our goals of Greencard.

    The crisis in united states is not just housing bubble but much more than that. I am not sure if this initiative (linking greencard and purchasing home) will find much traction in government or in medai given the complexity of the mess.
    The currency collapse which we used to discuss is now gathering storm now. The recent runnup in Dollar is peaking now and is in downward trend. Analysts are already up in arms arguing that United states have to take massive debt (assuming China and arab world is ready to give) or they have to print currency to finance their bailouts.


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  • This indeed is a very bad news. It looks to me that someone is frying a bigger fish here...

    If antis target the areas of immigration that are no "well defined" so far (H1b rules is one example, another could be AC21 same or similar job and yet another could be "permanent job" after greencard), it could create a lot of problems and may even practically shut down all legal immigration.

    This will only increat outsourcing and actually hurt US economy and jobs...too bad that "blinded" politicians do not recognize this.

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  • has any one thought why did this happened at the same time when he is making a movie about a "Khan in US"?
    See the things behind. he made fool of every body , CNN, media, US Immigration, you and me and got a publicity which he could have not gotten by spending millions of dollars in marketing the films.
    and guess what? this was for free and he is in headlines in national news paper.

    I think he wanted this to happen to get publicity for this upcoming film, now see after this incedent you, me and all of us know about this forthcoming film and will be eager to watch it.

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  • We applied for canadian immigration in 2002 but didn't have to provide the IELTS results. Things might have changed since then.

    I guess it all depend on the CO and how well you present your case in your application. If you provide enough evidence to show your fluency in the language they might accept them. But it's always a good idea to be prepared and do the test anyway. That was what I did.

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  • Okuzmin,

    All I meant was - TN is again just a visa after all and is just another version of the H1B hell. You ought to do better than just working for some one to pursue your American Dream right? What use it is to keep looking for an employer, extending your visas - is that not just a glorified version of H1B? True freedom is when you could quit an ass of any employer and come back home with your head held high :)

    To qualify for TN status you need to become a Canadian citizen first, and that's what I'm going to do. It'll take about 4 years, maybe a little longer (3 year cumulative presence over the last 4 years + bureaucratic process of switching from PR to citizenship). With my Canadian passport I'll have many more options than with my current one. Working in TN status in the USA is just one of these options. It's mostly appealing to those who can get a better paying job in the USA. If I'm not happy with that job, I can always go back home -- to Canada.

    Your concept of "true freedom" is rather limited, if you think about it. :) To me true freedom is when you can choose on any given day what you want to do: work, travel, sleep all day, have fun, etc. It requires much more than having a green card or even a US citizenship.

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  • I support having ongoing discussions with USCIS and having an amicable relationship with them. We should work hard to make the letter campaign successful. We have 30000 members but less than 2000 letters so far. While some volunteers are working tirelessly to make the letter campaign successful some do not want to take part in it at all because the Template's we have out there are asking for their Name, Address and Telephone Number. it is not a joke to mail out a letter to the president on which the signature of the person is not comprehendable and there is no Full Name, Adress and Telephone number. I spent hours last weekend answering people's questions about letter campaign but all I get in return is recommendations on what else I can do. There were no letters after all that. I totally support Walking_Dude on this.

    Raising 30K in 7 days was possible. it was made possible by 300 members. I still remember having a conversation with a gentleman at a mela (US Citizen and a white american) who said funds should not be a problem for you guys. You have 25,000 members and you all make good money. On any day you can all contribute 10$ and raise 250k. I wish. That will be my dream come true. I am one of those volunteers who worked very tirelessly to make 30k happen in 7 days. it is fun to be an active IV volunteer. I know a few people in our Local Chapter who spend their money for local chapter activities in addition to their monthly contributions. We have less than 10 members in our chapter who do that. I can totally understand when they tell me sometimes that have been spending a lot of their own money and taking the lead this for an year and half and are getting burned and want to take a step back now since we do not have new people stepping forward to help. Atleast they promised to take part in action items for sure.

    I apologize for my venting today

    Buck up :) We all go through it. I never take it personally. I would definitely be happy if more and more members come forward and help, instead of "missing in action" when needed most.

    We would be really happy if new members come up and take initiatives (i am now keeping my messages positive :) ) , more active members, more strength.

    participation is contigeous, all we need is some self motivators and self starters to kindle the fire.

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  • Dvb, did you read the ruling? It denies relief and says that:

    "We therefore join the Seventh and Eleventh Circuits in concluding that, in the current circumstances, the language Congress used precludes the INS from issuing a visa pursuant to the DV Program for a given fiscal year upon the expiration of that fiscal year. See Nyaga, 323 F.3d at 914; Iddir v. INS, 301 F.3d 492, 501 (7th Cir. 2002).8
    8. Had Coraggioso sought relief prior to the expiration of the 1998 fiscal
    year, our analysis may have been different."

    So this case is not helpful to us, though it is good for us to be aware of its existence.

    I read the end and it was unfortunate. I was talking about visa number reservation where they can reserve visa numbers for us in the future years based on the previous mistake they did. The court can compel USCIS to give visa numbers but maybe not in the same year but in a period of several years where there can put the newly applied i-485's on hold.

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  • what the heck are you talking about. If there is any specific cases of abuse please contact the CIS and report those. Dont say "almost all" etc on this website. That might not be true and we dont want general statements like these to hurt the prospects of our members.

    I understand. But it's true. I have many friends and these body shoppers don't pay for their medical insurance and all of my friends have a tough time - even Kforce etc doesn't pay if you're a contractor directly hired by them. Infosys, TCS pays and provides all kinds of benefits for people on H1, I don't know what ppl are against companies that have good business practice.

    Deloitte, Accenture, IBM brings ppl from other countries on L1 - why balme Infosys, TCS.

    I think we should take the SRK-the-global-icon factor out of the equation and just focus on the ridiculous system that is in place. There were other immigration officers attesting SRK's identity, he showed the officer his event invitation -- what else do you need? Does the whole Muslim world have to pay a price for 9/11? Should the airports around the world put in a 2 hour interrogation for anyone with last name as Bush?

    I warn you not to start the Muslims vs rest debate here....I would say most (not all) people are fanatics will do any attrocity in the name of religion. Blame it on your fellow fanatics for this mess. Yes, you need to pay the price for 9/11. DHS and TSA are created to protect the innocent civilian and its their duty. If you dont like dont come to USA.

    What SRK - global icon you are talking about. He is not a leader of the nation...he is just an actor. He might be a god for you and he does not need to be the same for others. Think logically everyone is coming here with invitation only. For the IO at POE, he is just a visitor and if needed should be treated in the same way like any other visitor. When it happened to Mr.Kalam, yes we need to protest as he was a former Head of State. But that Noble person did not even speak about it. But this poor SRK saying his self-respect is hurt. What a loser.

    Newtoearth who are you.

    why the independent news-reporters are not allowed to the places where the "hostage" "Rescue operation" are held by srilanka govt? SL Govt can not hide the truth. World knows now. So Stop saying it again and again. Try to get down to the earth.

    Do you know the core issue that created SL.Tamil issues? Read the history. Srilanka.Govt want to limit the SriLakan Minority rights and privileges. right? It might be different if the SL.Govt showed any change at policy level and get more SL.tamil civilians support before it started the "rescue operation".

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