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  • One of my friend was so frustated with this situtation , that he even explored IT jobs in gulf countries.He was telling me IBM has big presence there & with US experience , you can get manaegerial position with almost double salary.Also its nearer from India.

    Not to mention that if the offer is good and depending on the country, it is not uncommon to get a tax free salary, housing, 2 round trip tickets to one's home country for the individual and their family, in essence your major cost will likely just be food!

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  • I never thought CHANDUV23 will do dirty politics. A time will come to show the real color of the people. Do not rejoice when some one who is dead. It can happen to anyone. No guarenty we will see the home land again.


    You picking on CHANDUV23 is unwarranted. You lack debating skills. Do you have a argument to make against "unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics of YSR" ?

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  • I believe the proposal has to be amended, it says "20%" of the loan amount , here in CA, the houses are around 500k, 20% of which turns out to be 100k, i dont have that kind of money, looks like everybody out there seems to have ton loads of money !! (damn desis !)
    How about saying " buying a house" with good credit.

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  • I can only give examples from personal life. My personal examples lead me to believe that a lot of people, though aware of retrogression, are unaware of what it really means.

    Six months ago, I thought that there was nobody opposing EB-based visa numbers. And I was pretty certain that my greencard would be handed to me in a few years.

    Then I learnt about IV. And I learnt about the problems.
    Then I tried to tell my friends about it at work. And the first reactions were 'Is the situation really that bad'?

    So, there is definitely a huge group of people who don't know what retrogression really means, and how screwed they really are.

    But again, these are personal examples. Maybe yours (people knowing about retrogression, and still not bothering about contributing/participating in IV) might have led you to a different conclusion.

    I respect your opinion ...but I refuse to believe that people are ignorant...

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  • If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?

    We can keep guessing but you know who is the right guy ,


    I remeber how brutal Imran used to be to Indian openers with his deadly in-swinger. Those were days of good cricket ... a classy cricket. Outside cricket Imran still commands respect for being honorable and honest person.

    On other hand our Azhar is one of those who will sell his own mother for money. A disgrace to cricket world. Comparing him to Imran is like comparing Lion in Jungle to a Hyenna ( no disrespect to reading Hyenna).

    Few years back bunch of cricketers originating from AP here in MI sponsored him and his wife to visit here. I was invited by come and shake hand and photograph with this bookie and his beautiful wife. Majority of people having self-respect politely rejected the invitation. Now I hear he is trying to become bookie in New Delhi. Good Luck!

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  • Applicant gets the peace of mind and can go around buying houses, changing jobs etc whereas it is just a procedural change for USCIS.

    Who said you cannot buy a house on just h1b? Or change jobs while on EAD? Such would be their defense for the argument above.

    Peace of mind, my friend, does not comply with the objectivity of the argument. Also, it's very subjective too. People that have H1B, would be peaceful if they get their I140 approved, people that have GC would imagine how peaceful it would be if only they had citizenship.

    The incredibly long wait to process the backlog is simply not acceptable. With a professional shelf life being 30 odd years, one cannot afford to spend 50% of that time just waiting to be integrated in the system. Numbers don't lie.

    As i have been saying - introducing reform bills and converting them to legislations is our only way, right? Let's put these numbers together as a motivation for the reform bill and seek solutions.

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  • I agree with you completely. I don't know what Infy and Wipro are doing with their money but TCS was filling Tata Motors and Tata Steel historically. Also buying companies like Land Rover and Jaguar while screwing their employees.

    Are they using TCS money to subsidize Tata Nano?

    Comments like these are just giving fodder to anits. Then they take comments like these and frame them in "out of context" way to put unfair restrictions on all of us. Recent example is how BW had used parts of IV threads to justify killing H1B and GC programs.

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  • I have

    EB3 140 approved for June 2004
    EB2 140 approved for May 2006

    My lawyer said that they will file a petiton to apply my EB2 status to my EB3 dates as soon as dates for EB2 cross June 2004

    But now, In this August VB , My EB2 became current .
    What I did not anticipate was the huge 2 year+ jump in EB2 dates

    My 485 was filed in July 2007 and shows the status pending since then.

    I asked my lawyer which 140 did he use to apply my 485 and he says "Both"

    I am confused with a couple of things

    1. Is it possible to file 485 by sending in both 140s. I asked the lawyer and he said that NOW since the date has jumped more than 2 years it is not advisable to file petiton to move dates .

    2. If I call USCIS , will they be able to tell me which 140 was used to file my 485

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  • IV Core and Administrators

    1. AOS applicants using EAD are presently unaffected (if they do not have H1) by this memo. Could you please inquire from USCIS contacts, in case more similar "guidelines" are being planned for folks using EADs?

    2. Also is something more being planned/announced for AC21's "same or similar" criteria? A while back we had a thread collecting evidences and suggestions from the IV members about its interpretation. Please help provide a status update about the meetings with USCIS, IV core group discussions and plans, etc.

    Thanks for all your efforts.

    Best Wishes for all.

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  • If you don't know the difference between Policies and Politics I cannot help it.I'm talking about policies created by Govt in Power
    That's all I can say....Good luck

    And your ID is revealed _TrueFacts....That's all I can say and which u are very well aware of.


    Other than your unprecedented love for YSR there is nothing new in your postings and you are rambling on id's. How does it matter to you.

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  • Guys! This is getting interesting. Guess what I found!! Now you can find out the names of your local friendly Amway Independent Business owners!!!

    Go to

    Scroll down to the section titled "Benefits of Being Affiliated with an Independent Business Owner", select "Show me a list of IBOs in my area that I can select from".... put your zip code and voila!!!!

    I put my own zipcode 94536, and most of the names are desi. Confirms my suspicion that there are more desi's sucked into this than........

    Now post what you find in your area!

    Totally coincidental but all of IBO's in my zip code are Chinese. I know 2-3 desis myself who approached me in walmart and ikea.

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  • You are showing your contribution in all your postings. Don't have any shame???
    your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing(giving)
    It is typical for many Indians to put their name in cars (even here) and their contribution to temples to be anounced in public address system and put names on any things which they are donated.
    You need to change the style, if you are in Rome, behave like Romas.

    Romas??? What is that?

    I feel proud to show my contribution in all my postings.

    I live by what I believe in and do not change for people like you.

    You also please donate, if you are really proud to be an Indian the way you put in your signature and let your left hand does not know it. Then talk about my bad things.

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  • As per Macaca's logic, pre Oct 2005 PDs will take up all the numbers available for EB2 Indai for 2007, in June and July.

    If that is the case why was the Bulletin for july not set to Oct or Nov 2005 and instead made current. Surely USCIS does not want to deal with all the extra workload if it does not have to.

    DOS/USCIS know the truth, but going by the Ombudsman's report, they want to use up visa numbers as fast as they can. So if they have 30K applications sitting, just waiting for visa numbers, now with everything set to C, they can blindly start approving without even seeing what the date on those apps is.
    Also, with EB3-ROW being 'C' they dont even need to worry about per-country limits. Just pick up the next almost-approved file, assign visa number, mail out. repeat.

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  • A vrey very valid point!

    don't you think. AC21 (the famous Yates Memo) is also a memo. People expect USCIS to follow it though.... :o

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  • Yes...We had them in power for five years. It was a joke. India was Shining and we had to wear sun glass.

    I am not supporting the congress party. I am only supporting the MMS. To me, he is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarr better than Mr.Advani or Mayavathi

    SNathan, I know you are supporting MMS and not congress. But remember, it is not MMS govt it is congress govt. MMS is just an executive who will implement his boss's decisions. It happened during Narasimha Rao. It was Rao and not MMS who brought economy reforms. Also, India Shining was flop show and we had to wear sun glasses, but last 5 years of UPA was such a economic disaster that now even if we remove glasses we can see nothing but darkness.

    Also please consider that during UPA rule, India's loss due to terrorism was next to Iraq. As Narendra Modi says, even if you are rich, own houses and cars and happy in life...but if you are not sure that at the end of day you will return home safely or not, then this money and richness is of no use.

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  • When I moved to Cali about 2 yrs back from the midwest, I saw a guy at a desi store in the bay area who looked very similar to an old school friend whom I have not seen in 14 yrs. I went upto him and started talking to him asking if he was the same guy, He insulted me and avoided me like the plague. In midwest, I have not had any similar exp when I have tried stiking any conversation with a desi, so I was shocked. Then my BIL who had been living in the bay area for a while tole me about amway cons being in huge numbers and the fact that Desis do not trust anyone in the bayarea who appear friendly and the probable reason why this guy behaved the way he did. It is sad that we cannot be friendly to our own countrymen.

    sad indeed. but its not isolated to bay area.

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  • It has been repeated 'Ad Nauseam' times. IVs agenda includes all of these -

    1) Increasing GC numbers
    2) Recapturing numbers and instituting permanent Rollover mechanisms
    3) Eliminate country quotas.

    IV understands that removing just the country quota will impact ROW badly if visa numbers are not increased in tandem. Hence you always see the three points being proposed together. These 3 have to go together. A compromise between ROW and oversubscribed countries.

    But some ROW members keep trying to split the movement by opposing removal of country quotas ( which is point 2 in IV agenda) at every possible opportunity. Real way to build a coalition is through compromise. And in a compromise you can't get all you want. Don't expect the majority to heed all your demands.

    Be a little appreciative of the sufferings of others. If you think a little extra time you need to spend in the queue is turning you so angry, what goes in the mind of a person who has to spend twice or thrice as much time in the same queue, for no fault of his/hers?

    Don't BS on 'diversity'. There is already a 'diversity visa' which Indians & Chinese cannot use. Want to come under diversity? Apply in the lottery. Be a little humane and think about the suffering of others. May be you'll see the light. You are not going to win many friends by alleging "an agenda by some country". It's preposturous, laughable and Dobbsian ( like Lou Dobbs alleged "invasion by Mexicans")

    I don't think removing the per country cap will solve the problem. It will balance retrogression by giving each country equal share of misery while the visa number allocation per year stays the same. It also requires changes in the statute which is almost impossible to happen because the legislators, either Dem. or GOP, will not agree to removing the cap. So let's be realistic.

    The best solution is to recapture unused visas from previous years and increase the quota per year.

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  • simply racial profiling.

    i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".

    When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?

    To all the jocks who argue "its part of life" advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.

    In the end its the color.. do you know beta.

    for the record.i am no SRK fan.

    Mamooty.. who is he?

    Is it their miskate... Indian politician and police are so corrupt and do not have balls to do that.

    No one cares Mammoty...but he is muslim and when he was frisked no one was erupting. Why only for SRK...? Doesnt it show the real picture...? When going for stamping how many hours people are wiating in line. If he is waiting for 2 hours in line whats the big deal. He is not Abdul Kalam to be supported. He was a noble person and Former Head of State. He himself is going through the security check that too in india. He did not even speak a word about that issue. But this moron SRK saying 'Doesnt feel like steping on american soil again'. I bet $10000 if he is not steping on american soil again.

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  • #1 Landed in Texas in late 90's at a friends place. Friend took me to get SS# next day, dropped me at SS office during his lunch time and came in the evening at SS office to pick me up. While waiting outside, in a span of 20 minutes, had two people (one desi and another a colored person) approach me trying to befriend me...obviously I fall for it, second day and I meet such a nice person , offering me help if I needed. etc. Asked me for my cell or home #, I did not have any (was only going to stay at friends for few days and then going to Phoenix), so, i managed to get their business cards and I promised to call them.
    In the evening, friend picked me up, told him what happened, he laughed and said "they already got you....unbelievable..hit in just one day of landing... I asked him to explain what was going on, he said he explained me everything. He mentioned that his brother-in-law will be at his home in the evening for dinner (an IBO), and asked me to tell him that I was not interested as I wanted to focus on career first. We go inside, he introduced to his BIL, BIL immediately asked me when I came and what I do, and that he has an excellent business offer for me, which he would discuss with me after dinner. My friend blinked at me, I told him that I had a business proposal for him as well. He was surprised and asked me what it was. I told him that when I was in India, I was a IBO and I wanted him to be an IBO, after listening to what I had to say.

    He and my friend were astonished, my friend and his wife were laughing. BIL said he was going to talk about the same thing to me, I said, I am tired and if he already is a IBO, I will not talk about it at all, as I would rather sleep (jet lag). Got rid of him easily...

    Incident #2: After moving to Phoenix in 8 days, landed at my Desi consultant's, got a 2 Bedroom townhome shared by total of4 people. One of them was active in AMWAY...asked me if I wanted to go to a business meeting followed by Tea/snacks. I told him I could come only if he stops by grocery store first as I wanted to buy stuff. I did not have car so needed his help for groceries etc. I went with him and few of other FOBs that he had managed to "capture" (New Bakras for him). Went to his friends house who was a new IBO and hosting tea party/(Bakra kato seminar) first time, so he had lot of food/snacks etc. I enjoyed the snack, slept in the mkt. speech. ate good food. Told him that I was already an IBO when the form signing ceremony started, friend was mad why I did not tell him, I told him that I should be mad at him for wasting my time and not telling me where and what this meeting was about. Had a fun at his expense :-)
    in couple of weeks moved to Mid North East, where I did not face any AMWAY/QUI guy/s.

    Well, explain to me, if an american celebrity, such as Brad Pitt or George Clooney is detained at IGI for 66 mins, taken aside for secondary in another chamber, made to wait,

    if robert gates (defense secretary), is asked to remove his shirt

    if ex president bush or clinton is frisked for secondary, would that be acceptable to americans?

    NO. We agree on the answer atleast. Do people in India have to KNOW them?

    You are missing the point here. Americans are doing what they are supposed to do. Our babus are not able to do anything to even ward consuler or local MLA. Whoes mistake that is.

    I was going through all the posts and I am surprised that there is no mention of Jayaprakash Narayan.

    Jayaprakash Narayan(Doctor and ex IAS officer) is founder and President of LokSatta Party. If you are thinking its just another political party then you are completely wrong. Please go to to find out more about him and LokSatta party. And there lot of videos about him on Youtube and here is the one of the link to his speeches at Mumbai University

    Yes, I heard about this guy...Hopefully he gets a chance to do some good...

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