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  • i like this idea and you have my support.

    People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.

    1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
    2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.

    My Proposal

    1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
    2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
    3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.

    If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.

    I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.

    By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers

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  • I don't know what % of that group consists of H4 spouse of H1 folks. But i believe a good percentage of those applied through the TOEFL,GRE route.

    Anyone knows of statistics for F1 visas per country? This might fill in some gaps here. My impression was some countries send more F1s than others.

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  • Come on guys

    Why there is so much name calling

    I read the entire forum postings to get a perspective. I might quote from most of the participants.

    Honestly speaking most of us are members of IV because we want to fix the problem with employment based legal immigration system. We do this because we want to get GC to settle down in life, or to get the deserving promotion or start the new venture we were dreaming about - all in the US. Many of us may eventually apply for the US citizenship.

    In some of the forums, members talk of being born in India or China as sin, they get so desperate during the visa bulletin announcements, depressed when they see the PD moving backwards, envy non India & China EB2 applicants, heated EB3 vs EB2 debate, heated labor substitution debate etc etc etc. Personally I know many who curse themselves for being born in India, I’m sure they do not literally mean but it is out of frustration of being in this country for many years and not able to do what they wish in career or in life because of the GC issue, that being said,

    Nandakumar’s only grievance is that present Govt of India does not help or care for the suffering of Sri Lankan Tamils, I cannot speak for him but I think because of his intense support for the cause of SL tamils, he might have over stated his displeasure towards India but he never once mentioned Tamil Nadu or its secession or even splitting Sri Lanka , or fights between some of the states in India, or anything related to regionalism and did not even mention or support LTTE in his original postings but only to respond to other members postings.

    As I said earlier, all most all of the IV members want to get GC and may want to become US citizen, I’m not sure whether the members who had responded to Nandakumar’s postings have the intentions of permanently settling down in the US. If they do, I don’t see any difference between end objective of either of them, one may present extreme view of protest and reason that for getting US citizenship and other might reason that there is better opportunity in the US than India to get US citizenship, bottom line is both want to leave India and become a citizen of another country, in this case US and show allegiance to the US and its constitution, there after both needs to get Indian visa to visit India, what an irony.

    We are a educated lot, I think members should show restraint and stop this name calling business, if they do not agree on an issue, they should agree to disagree but should not disgrace a person and as another member did, do not bring parents into the discussion, just because the other party has opposite view.

    Recent past USCIS has raided many Indian owned consulting companies for visa and immigration fraud, earlier too few consulting company bosses were arrested for labor substitution fraud etc, this shows how desperate are people to get GC, why someone has to involve in such frauds to be in the US permanently, what India or their home country has done to them, to leave their home country for US, there are many whose business is to bad mouth India with others. What to call these people?

    Another interesting aspect is, nandakumar speaks for himself but others speak for all the Indians, not sure who elected them to represent all the Indians and how do they know the views of all the Indians.

    A honest question for the members who are bashing Nandakumar, you are all here in the IV forum for time pass or with the intention of helping IV to work towards overhauling employment based legal immigration process and eventually to get GC and the US citizenship?

    PS: I do support the genuine aspirations of the SL Tamils and NOT any organization designated as terrorist organization by some countries including the US and India


    It is pretty much proven that in your mental territory you have already ditched India and it is the USA which will take long to grant you a GC and then afterwards citizenship for which you almost represented your beggar like mentality. But that is not my concern and should not be. I have only one question to you and I hope youwould try to answer it with all possible honesty.

    Q: What will be your view regarding USA's official policy to consider LTTE a terrorist organisation? ONce you will be come US citizen how will you align yourself with this policy?

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  • Alright! Back to the US immigration deal! There is still hope and the battle is not over. So I wish you all the best with your cases. Mine has not been rejected/returned yet since my application was delivered on July 3rd. I don't know what will happen, but there is still hope!!!


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    please DIGG

    Thank you

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  • WDude, Googler, I am not against removing per country limits. But we need to have a cool head, think straight, objective and use facts. I just think it will be next to impossible to change the INA to remove those quotas so it's better to concentrate efforts on 1) visa recapture; 2) EB quota increase. Visas were lost mostly because of NC issue.

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  • The pending perm applications are the missing piece of information to predict the visa bulletin. Is it possible to get this information from the perm database. I though the perm database was for the approved perm cases. I am sure there is some database (maybe the perm database itself) where we can figure out the pending perm cases. I will search for it, guys please all look into it aswell.

    Can some one who has parsed the PERM database earlier get the count of pending PERM cases as of today (or the lasted available)?

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  • QUOTE=_TrueFacts;840961]breddy2000,

    Shame on you. thoo

    In your love for YSR, you are behaving like him. Are you from Kadapa? Why unnecessarily picking on CHANDUV23. I got his profile id from Orkut.

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    What are you talking about me ass hole.....I do not have any Orkut and for that matter you cannot see me in Linkedin or any other solcial networking site.....

    Because of assholes like you , who misuse privacy I do not register like you Mr. CHANDUV23.....

    .....Just becasue my handle is contains reddy does not mean I love my Caste. And I have enough guts to say what I want to using my originbal ID and not like u ass hole hinding under the shandow and misuse the system (so called corrupted asshole, who is talking about corruption in India...)


    And guess what's the commonality between "_TrueFacts" and "CHANDUV23"....Both use "IMV" instead of "IV", to abbreviate Immigration Voice....

    Don't let me reveal many more similiarities between "CHANDUV23" and "_TrueFacts".

    Better of begging on the roads rather than playing your split personality role and creating havoc on this public forum.....

    Go see your own posts AH.....

    U Need to alteast learn how to hide your true identity......MOTHER FUCKER...

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  • My 2 cents.
    USCIS does not control the PD dates, State dept does. The state dept will change the PD's to when it runs out of visas to provide USCIS.
    Case 1: Assume USCIS and State dept are in close touch over the currently approvable I-485s which can consume visas starting July 1

    If USCIS has 40K such approvable apps, then the State Dept (being in close coordination with USCIS abt numbers) would have just moved the dates to Nov 2005 for EB-2 India the date when it retrogressed and similarly to the date when EB-3 retrogression first happened for India.

    The fact that they did not do this means they do not have the sufficient numbers of approvable ones. Now the new ones filed in June or July will not become approvable until at least 90 days. So if they are hoping that some of the "new" 485 petitions filed in June/July will be straightforward enuf to approve in 4 months, they have to keep dates at current at least until July end.

    Case 2: USCIS and State dept are not coordinating "closely" over the approvable numbers

    This means the State dept arbitrarily changed the dates to Current instead of consulting with USCIS that they have 40K approvable petitions. And why woudl they in that case make the numbers unavailable in mid-july in that case?

    Lastly even if the numbers can become Unavailable it has to be announced by State Dept. So worst case scenario it can become "U" in July 11-15, which makes the claim by Matthew-OH that it can become unavailable in July first week itself ridiculous.

    I suspect that at the end of last month they did not have a lot of approvable 485 cases that were BOTH:

    1) Cleared namechecks.


    2) From countries other than CHINDIA.

    Hence they decided to move the dates to make use of the visa numbers. The majority of approvals you will see now will be those that conform to the above criteria. When they(the visas) are done they are done!

    I don't expect to see any of the 485s filed now to get approved anytime soon unless for some strange reason dates remain current until Sept............then you might see a few lucky ones squeeze through. So new 485 filers hold your breath until atleast next year!

    Come July 1st week, brace for a flood of celebratory postings online as the pre-approved cases get formally sent out letters.

    Come October if not earlier it will be normal service resumed, with massively retrogressed dates for CHINDIA, and mild to moderate retrogression for ROW.

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  • EB2 approval of LCA or 140 is almost next to impossible now. I can dare to say this.
    So consider new EB2ROW is almost negligible unless the one in the 140 stage get approved from EB2ROW (here also tough for approval but I can give chance to approval) come into the queue of EB2ROW.

    This is a very big assumption which impact the EB2I progress a lot.
    Also EB1 movement -- new EB1 filings should come down due to economy, so I see some EB1 numbers definitely more than previous year i.e 2009 coming to EB2.

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  • what is surprising that one person ..dilipcr this case able to divert the attention of the members.
    in other words, maybe in future, one anti-immigrant can pose as dilip ..keep a senseless debate alive ..and divert attention.
    ---------- are we doing this because there are no visible big campaigns alive ? or does it mean that if we defeat Dilip in this debate then we will get our GC's (please note I am not following this thread ...though I was initially),.. Thanks

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  • Because of all these experiences, even when you genuinely smile or strike a conversation with a desi, he/she first suspects you to be an ammway guy. I face it everyday, being "outgoing extrovert" in nature, I tend to smile and talk to people in elevators, walkways, malls, restrooms, groceries etc... which is mostly casual fun stuff and most times desis suspect that I am a ammway guy and cut me out harshly.

    Its pretty easy to find out who the real stalkers (amyway) guys are and who aren't. I am not an extrovert per se but do wish people on the elevators or even while walking on the park. Amway ones have this totally fake attitude that i can easily find out who they are..

    Problem with these guys is they don;t understand that NO means really NO.. Not Interested.. They think pushing more and more will convince me. Losers!

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  • I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average yearly income is only $115/year :)

    you people are fighting for two totally different reasons

    (1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.

    (2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).

    how do you advertise your product/site ?????

    when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.

    this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.

    most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??

    to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p

    to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)

    all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.

    again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.

    Hi Gopi,
    Good post. But tell me why should i give a damn about either Amway or BWW? I don't.

    It is horribly insane to talk to your business ambitions to a stranger. Every person is different and I personally take it offensive when someone I don't know comes and bothers me with his/her business nonsense. I am sure there are many people who think in the same way.

    In the beginning, whenever a I came across a Desi in a mall or in a public place, it used to make me happy. Now, I always suspect that it could be a Amway SOB who is coming to me with his trash bag.

    By the way, Gopi, this is nothing against you personally.

    To all Amway street walkers, get the hell out of my way. I don't want to hear your nonsense. Period.

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  • You are partially correct BharatPremi. The Sinhalese migrated to the island long before the time of emeror Ashoka and not from Orissa. According to the written history of Sri Lanka they arrived about 2500 years ago from the region of Bengal (which is refered to as the land of the Vanga people in SL history). The exact kingdom they came from as supposed to be located in present Bangladesh. By the time of Ashoka the Sinhalese had already established their first kingdom with the capital in the ancient city of Anuradhapura. In fact Budhism was first introduced to Sri Lanka by Arahat Mahinda who was the son of emperor Ashoka. By the time he arrived as the head of one of the buddhist missions the emperor Ashoka had sent to the regions around India, he was welcomed by the Sinhalese king Tissa and the whole country embrased Buddhism.

    The SL tamils arrived long after that during the Chola empire as invaders. They occupied the country for a while untl the Sinhalese princes were able to drive most of them back to India. The present SL tamils are the people who stayed behind in the northern regions of the island. Since they were in the island for a relatively shorter time they did not evolve a new language like the Sinhalese did. Sinhalese however evolved a new language and ther own unique culture which is still pretty similar to Indian culture.

    So the Tamils as well as the Sinhalese has lived in the island for a very long time and has every right to live in the island peacefully. This does not however give the SL Tamil the right to claim one part of the island for their exclusive use.

    We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.

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  • Since the lawsuit is about the getting the lost visa numbers it will be a good case.

    4. INA Section 203(e) provides that family-sponsored and employment-based preference visas be issued to eligible immigrants in the order in which a petition in behalf of each has been filed

    The law does not mention anywhere that u cannot recapture numbers.

    the law does say that the GC numbers expire if unused.
    once expired USCIS has no power to use them.
    you need to study this deeper if you want to consider a challenge.

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  • Guys,
    In my humble opinion this is the best thing that could have happened!!! I feel bad for Mr. Khan suffering like a common man for a while but his suffering brought to light what we have to deal with every time we travel... ace


    I've been pulled aside once, in the nearly 7 years I've lived here. I've never had to go through any sort of 'suffering' -- nobody humiliated, beat me up or threw me in some dungeon, and likewise with any of my friends (and I have friends of different nationalities and religion)

    I was asked the routine stuff - why I'm visiting the US - who I work for, where I live, how long have I been in the US and if I have family here. They asked, I respond - and that was that. The tone wasn't the most cordial nor was it demeaning. It's not a popularity contest. The key is to not take things personally. I have a lot of respect for President Kalam. He sure did Indians and people in general, proud. Now, please, give it a rest.

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  • breddy2000,

    You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.

    Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.

    As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.

    His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.

    Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India’s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.

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  • Go ahead.

    Hello this question is for Lawyer, i will like to find out how can somebody find out if the I 140 is been revoked by the old employer.

    Please help me out i will like to find out the way to find out as my employer told me he will revoke my I 140 but have not got any information from USCIS aslo the the online status shows case approved in sep 2006.

    Please let me know if it is revoke would Uscis send a letter or the online system would say any changes online.

    Thanks Saburi

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  • What about people who are on there EAD? who dont have H1B anymore? any comments?

    Please shere some infoormatin about this too. there are so many people like that, including me.



    I see a lot of people discussing about Canada.

    Any inputs about Australia and life down under?


    Per country quota is what is killing India/China.. and that is the fact.. on an average ROW person waits for 3 years whereas India/China wait for eons.. as WD said if some one wants diversity go apply for a lottery or for better seek asylum... :mad::mad:

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